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Poland has a collective memory of Russian oppression and aggression

EugeneOZ 5y ago
Maybe it's time to stop cultivating this hatred. Otherwise, you’ll have to keep hating other nations. It's a road to hatred hell - many countries and nations in Europe had conflicts. Separate a regime from a nation. I don't know any Russian (I’m Russian in Spain) who would have any negativity to the Poles. Maybe it would be better to stop the hatred from another side as well.
- newby 5y ago
  - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    - newby 5y ago
      > Also, if you read the history of your country (and nation), you’ll see that one of your neighbors was occupying your country for a much, much longer time - maybe you’ll find another target to hate ;) That is the thing you do not get - when you read about it in history books, it is not the same as experience something yourself. When it is your life that is being damaged, it hurts... and hurt people are not objective. People generalize. Read your own comment - you read one unpleasant comment from one guy on the internet and you are already generalizing it to Czechs you met in Prague. How would you react if someone did this[1] to someone you know? I did not say that I hate you. I was just trying to explain to you why many people might. They do not want to hate (it is not pleasant). They did not choose to "cultivate hatred" as you say. They were hurt and hatred is natural reaction to trauma. Instead of blaming them, the victims, blame those who hurt them. [1] - GRAPHIC! - https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t1z8i8/near_khersonukraine_russian_soldier_shot_down_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t1z8i8/near_kh...
      - EugeneOZ 5y ago
      - dang 5y ago
        In addition to not posting flamewar comments as I asked you upthread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30481406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30481406), please do not cross into personal attack as you did here. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        newby 5y ago
        I got carried away. I apologize to both you and EugeneOZ. However, could you please point out what personal attack you mean, @dang? I am asking genuinely to learn. I see now that I did not argue in a constructive way and I am sorry about it but I honestly did not intend to personally attack EugeneOZ. I was not saying that I hate him or anything like that, he is clearly not responsible for what is going on in Ukraine. I was trying to re-frame what he perceives as hatred and explain it as people being hurt, something they do not necesarily control. EugeneOZ, to put it absolutely clearly, I know you bear no personal responsibility, you do not deserve hatred, and if you understood it that way, there was misunderstanding caused by me and I sincerely apologize.
        dang 5y ago
        Thanks for the kind reply, I appreciate it! To answer your question, I was referring to > That is the thing you do not get - when you read about it in history books, it is not the same as experience something yourself. I'd say that's condescending. Also, > you read one unpleasant comment from one guy on the internet and you are already is unduly personal.
        EugeneOZ 5y ago
        I didn't see any personal attacks from you, actually. Some frustrating words, but nothing personal ;) I’m sorry if some of my words were offensive - no personal attack was intended from my side. P.S.: russians also have that proverb about the mirror :)
    - dang 5y ago
      Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Also, please do not cross into personal attack. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 5y ago
    Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here. No more of this, please. I'm sure you have good reasons for feeling the way you do, but that doesn't make it ok to post destructively to this forum. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Maybe it's time to stop cultivating this hatred. Otherwise, you’ll have to keep hating other nations. It's a road to hatred hell - many countries and nations in Europe had conflicts. Separate a regime from a nation. I don't know any Russian (I’m Russian in Spain) who would have any negativity to the Poles. Maybe it would be better to stop the hatred from another side as well.

newby 5y ago
- EugeneOZ 5y ago
  - newby 5y ago
    > Also, if you read the history of your country (and nation), you’ll see that one of your neighbors was occupying your country for a much, much longer time - maybe you’ll find another target to hate ;) That is the thing you do not get - when you read about it in history books, it is not the same as experience something yourself. When it is your life that is being damaged, it hurts... and hurt people are not objective. People generalize. Read your own comment - you read one unpleasant comment from one guy on the internet and you are already generalizing it to Czechs you met in Prague. How would you react if someone did this[1] to someone you know? I did not say that I hate you. I was just trying to explain to you why many people might. They do not want to hate (it is not pleasant). They did not choose to "cultivate hatred" as you say. They were hurt and hatred is natural reaction to trauma. Instead of blaming them, the victims, blame those who hurt them. [1] - GRAPHIC! - https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t1z8i8/near_khersonukraine_russian_soldier_shot_down_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/t1z8i8/near_kh...
    - EugeneOZ 5y ago
    - dang 5y ago
      In addition to not posting flamewar comments as I asked you upthread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30481406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30481406), please do not cross into personal attack as you did here. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - newby 5y ago
        I got carried away. I apologize to both you and EugeneOZ. However, could you please point out what personal attack you mean, @dang? I am asking genuinely to learn. I see now that I did not argue in a constructive way and I am sorry about it but I honestly did not intend to personally attack EugeneOZ. I was not saying that I hate him or anything like that, he is clearly not responsible for what is going on in Ukraine. I was trying to re-frame what he perceives as hatred and explain it as people being hurt, something they do not necesarily control. EugeneOZ, to put it absolutely clearly, I know you bear no personal responsibility, you do not deserve hatred, and if you understood it that way, there was misunderstanding caused by me and I sincerely apologize.
        dang 5y ago
        Thanks for the kind reply, I appreciate it! To answer your question, I was referring to > That is the thing you do not get - when you read about it in history books, it is not the same as experience something yourself. I'd say that's condescending. Also, > you read one unpleasant comment from one guy on the internet and you are already is unduly personal.
        EugeneOZ 5y ago
        I didn't see any personal attacks from you, actually. Some frustrating words, but nothing personal ;) I’m sorry if some of my words were offensive - no personal attack was intended from my side. P.S.: russians also have that proverb about the mirror :)
  - dang 5y ago
    Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Also, please do not cross into personal attack. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here. No more of this, please. I'm sure you have good reasons for feeling the way you do, but that doesn't make it ok to post destructively to this forum. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html