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I've been using Vimium since I use firefox (for around 3 years). It's annoying that Vimium can no longer control the browser UI and is limited on some pages (Ne

by juloo 5y ago

I've been using Vimium since I use firefox (for around 3 years). It's annoying that Vimium can no longer control the browser UI and is limited on some pages (New Tab, mozilla.org) but this is necessary for security.

krageon 5y ago
> this is necessary for security Why? You can't read the source of this addon and evaluate whether or not it should have this access? This should be a permission that you can grant to an addon, we're not children that must at every juncture be managed so they don't burn their fingers.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Some browser users are literally children.
  - saurik 5y ago
    Clearly then, all tools must be designed to only support the least common denominator.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Children are everywhere. They shouldn't drive cars, so we don't let them. If they shouldn't manage browser plugins, we shouldn't let them. This is really incredibly immaterial to the point - which is that browsers treat everyone like they have some sort of mental handicap.
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      In a competitive market, which browser is going to win, the one that says "no one under the age of 16 can use this browser because they're too likely to fall victim to the security holes we intentionally didn't fix" or the one that says "we fixed that security hole"? I actually use a vim-style plugin in Firefox and this seems obvious to me, how do you think the majority of users feel?
- antihero 5y ago
  Can you evaluate the source at every silent update?
  - saurik 5y ago
    Then maybe updates shouldn't be "silent" and it should be easier to install a zeitgeist-approved old version.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Or you can not update things silently, because it's a terrible idea.
- adrianN 5y ago
  No, almost nobody can read the source code of every addon. Even the people who can won't be able to spot malicious behavior unless it's very obvious.

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I've been using Vimium since I use firefox (for around 3 years). It's annoying that Vimium can no longer control the browser UI and is limited on some pages (Ne

by juloo 5y ago

krageon 5y ago
> this is necessary for security Why? You can't read the source of this addon and evaluate whether or not it should have this access? This should be a permission that you can grant to an addon, we're not children that must at every juncture be managed so they don't burn their fingers.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Some browser users are literally children.
  - saurik 5y ago
    Clearly then, all tools must be designed to only support the least common denominator.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Children are everywhere. They shouldn't drive cars, so we don't let them. If they shouldn't manage browser plugins, we shouldn't let them. This is really incredibly immaterial to the point - which is that browsers treat everyone like they have some sort of mental handicap.
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      In a competitive market, which browser is going to win, the one that says "no one under the age of 16 can use this browser because they're too likely to fall victim to the security holes we intentionally didn't fix" or the one that says "we fixed that security hole"? I actually use a vim-style plugin in Firefox and this seems obvious to me, how do you think the majority of users feel?
- antihero 5y ago
  Can you evaluate the source at every silent update?
  - saurik 5y ago
    Then maybe updates shouldn't be "silent" and it should be easier to install a zeitgeist-approved old version.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Or you can not update things silently, because it's a terrible idea.
- adrianN 5y ago
  No, almost nobody can read the source code of every addon. Even the people who can won't be able to spot malicious behavior unless it's very obvious.