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Yea, that's a bullshit. Ukrainian-Ukrainian here. Russians now claim that they will "protect" the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions and expand if needed to do
by slezyr 5y ago
Yea, that's a bullshit. Ukrainian-Ukrainian here. Russians now claim that they will "protect" the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions and expand if needed to do so. People die right now MORE than in previous "peaceful" times. They already fucking shelled a kindergarten, school, and killed a civilian (was a rarity before).
- User23 5y agoLike most Americans I have no real knowledge of the situation in the Ukraine. What exactly is a Ukrainian-Ukrainian? What other Ukrainians are there?
- commandlinefan 5y ago> the situation in the Ukraine Just FYI - like you, I grew up hearing it called "the Ukraine" (like "The Philippines" or "The Netherlands") but apparently that's changed and it's just "Ukraine" now.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y agoThe person they are replying to identified themselves as a Canadian citizen living in Ukraine. The person who described themselves as "Ukrainian-Ukrainian" is implying that their own assessment of the situation is likely to be more accurate since they are not just an expatriate.
- afterburner 5y agoRussian-Ukrainians. And there are many.
- thriftwy 5y agoThere are at least four kinds of Ukrainians. Russians with Ukrainian citizenship (a lot of these in Crimea and L/DNR), Russian-speaking Ukrainians, Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians and Western Ukrainians, who did not live in the Russian Empire or Soviet Ukraine before 1944, and have Roman Catholic-controlled faith based on Orthdox rituals. The first three groups form a continuity and is not perfectly correlated with loyalty to Ukrainian state. Plus hungarians and some tatars. Caveat emptor: I'm not from Ukraine.
- ccozan 5y agoRomanians form with ~500K the third biggest minority in Ukraine. Again, a situation where USSR conquered and draw the map as it wished, since they live in teritory formely belonging to interbellic Romania. One fact which people forget: Ukraine decided to end support to minorities, as such there is no longer possible to study in native language. This type of nationalism should not be supported at all. Ukraine is no saint.
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- artem247 5y agoThis is not true. In 2020-2021 curriculum year in Ukraine there were 874 schools that that had languages of minorities as a language of instruction. In 9 different languages - Russian, Bulgarian, Crimean Tatar language, German, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian, Moldavian. Source, official website of Ministry of Education of Ukraine. (in Ukrainian) https://nus.org.ua/news/mon-pidrahuvalo-skilky-shkil-navchayut-movamy-natsionalnyh-menshyn/ https://nus.org.ua/news/mon-pidrahuvalo-skilky-shkil-navchay...
- commandlinefan 5y agoI had a friend who I referred to as "my Russian friend". When my uncle married a Russian woman, I showed her a picture of my Russian friend from one of his kids birthday parties, and she said, "I think he is from Ukraine". I asked why she thought that and she said because of the lettering of the sign in the background - apparently they have a different (but similar enough to my non-Russian reading eyes) alphabet, too.
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- _xnmw 5y agoThe President of Ukraine and all official channels say they do NOT believe a full-scale invasion will happen. Only America says it will happen. We lost Donetsk and Luhansk a long time ago. It's gone now. Hopefully this will end now.
- slezyr 5y agoFull-scale might not happen, but it absolutely does not mean any kind of peace. There is no interest for russia to stop daily shelling and keep capturing in small pieces. Russia has zero interest to stabilize the situation they walked away from all the agreements and negotiations.
- _xnmw 5y agoBrother, I believe it is in their interest to stabilize the situation now that Donetsk and Luhansk are officially protected by Russia. Previously the shelling continued for 8 years because of the rebellion.
- tokai 5y ago>We lost Donetsk and Luhansk Not all of it.
- _xnmw 5y agoI refer to the cities, not the whole oblast.
- tokai 5y agoWell the republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, and Putin refer to the whole oblasts, so it makes your analysis a bit nonsensical.
- trenchgun 5y agoRussia recognized those republics defined by the area in their constitution: ie. whole oblasts. https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1496161279853084677 https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1496161279853084677
- sleepingadmin 5y agoI'm Canadian as well but I'm in Canada. I was led to believe the biden warnings of imminent russia invasion were war mongering and not true. Clearly not true anymore. Russia is an aggressor. From my point of view, it seems Canadians are team Russia here, especially our prime minister.
- nemo44x 5y agoYour PM just got a taste of authoritarian despotism so it would make sense.
- sleepingadmin 5y ago>Your PM just got a taste of authoritarian despotism so it would make sense. I'm going to show my left-wing bias but Bill Maher and Jimmy Dore both called Trudeau Hitler. They are objectively right, but what happened? Canada had some ineffectual blockades, but at the time of the emergency being invoked. Those were gone. So the emergency was ONLY the protest in Ottawa. The justification for the emergency is the military occupation and they used the givesendgo hacked data to analyze that around 50% of the raised money was from the USA. The allegation is that the USA is somehow doing this? This is absurd but why is Trudeau overreacting to all this? What did he fear? I think I might know why he fears the USA.
- harpersealtako 5y agoWhat led you to believe those things (the idea that the Biden Administration's claims of an imminent invasion were war mongering, and the idea that Canada has aligned itself with Russia)?
- sleepingadmin 5y ago>What led you to believe those things (the idea that the Biden Administration's claims of an imminent invasion were war mongering, That's a great question, but I don't know if I know the answer. Overall, the US as world police, Obama and his nobel peace prize and 7 wars, and virtually entire existence of the USA they have been at war. It's kind of easy to see this point of view. However, I would generally say our media was saying the invasion wasn't imminent. Largely reporting the Ukraine government denied any invasion was coming. This I would say as well was the story across political lines. The only thing really covered was how Trudeau was being actively excluded from diplomacy by Biden. https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1485652537105600516/photo/1 https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1485652537105600516/phot... Though not about Ukraine... our media covered how we got excluded from the security alliance as well: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/09/15/joint-leaders-statement-on-aukus/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... I dont think I ever read anyone in our media suggesting Biden lost respect or trust in Trudeau but now in hindsight... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-russia-canada-aid-1.6324247 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-russia-c... Ukraine is on the other side of the planet and they are singling us out to ask for aid that we aren't giving? >and the idea that Canada has aligned itself with Russia)? Well as I said, a week ago I didn't believe in this at all. In my mind, it was a wackadoodle conspiracy theory. Here's a 5 minute video from Jimmy Dore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdHF7J_ZZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdHF7J_ZZM It is public knowledge that the liberal party are members of the WEF. So is Putin. Both Putin and Trudeau have done keynotes. They are publicly linked. It's a whole different thing to say this is some evil cabal or some diplomatic war-supporting effort. For all I know Trudeau is a mole and we are still complete allies to the USA, if not protectorate. But frankly, I look at the last week. Russia invaded and Canadians are under an unjustified national emergency with the government seizing bank accounts with no due process or redress. We do have political prisoners and global celebrities from across the political spectrum are calling out Trudeau as Hitler.
- the_mar 5y agoUkrainian-American here. Depends on how you look at it. Comparing Donetsk to Crimea for instance, Crimea is in much better shape: no active war for the past 8 years. I second the opinion that this isn't the ending that people wanted, but hopefully it is the ending nonetheless. For the record, I do not condone the annexation of Crimea, but I also do not support giving it back to Ukraine, as it just creates unnecessary tension at this point. I understand, how globally we should not just be ok with countries taking parts of other countries, but at the same time the reverse transaction will bring more misery to people of crimea.
- mcguire 5y agoMakes for interesting strategies for a country wishing to expand. If you go in fast and settle the issue quickly, it's a fait accompli and anyone seeking to "reverse the transaction" is just bringing misery. If you can't settle the issue quickly, support a local insurgency until the international community stops paying attention and then go in. Everybody will be grateful. It's kind of how the Soviet Union and the west divided up Europe after WWII.
- Apocryphon 5y agoHistory never ended with MAD, it just continues on in sneakier ways.
- the_mar 5y ago"It's kind of how the Soviet Union and the west divided up Europe after WWII." - first question: "define Europe", 2nd question: "who exactly is west?", 3rd question: "did you just compare WWII to what exactly?"
- mcguire 5y agoEurope. The funny-shaped land between the Urals and the Atlantic. Here's a map of the Allied offensives in the last two years of the war. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Second_world_war_europe_1943-1945_map_en.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Second_w... Note how the western allies (The US and UK, mostly, plus France, Belgium, Netherlands, and so forth) controlled Italy, France, the Low Countries, and the western half of Germany. The USSR controlled Finland through the Balkans and eastern Germany. The general agreements of how everything would settle down were set by the Potsdam conference (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Agreement), generally along the lines of countries' pre-war borders (although the USSR presented a fait accompli annexing part of East Prussia and attaching parts of east Germany to Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oder-neisse.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oder-neisse.gif) because they had troops there). This result hardened into what eventually became NATO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#/media/File:History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#/media/File:History_of_NA..., the 1949 version) and the Warsaw Pact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact#/media/File:Iron_Curtain_map.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact#/media/File:Iron_C...). And that's how Europe ended up divided into East and West. (Modulo the invasion of Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary#Communism_(1945%E2%80%931989) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary#Communism_(1945%E2%80%...) in 1956 and Czechoslovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia#Communist_Czechoslovakia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia#Communist_Czech...) in 1968[1] when those countries flirted with being insufficiently Red.)