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Did Russia Invade Ukraine?

56 points by greatjack613 5y ago

lykahb 5y ago
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. It has annexed Crimea and occupied parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. Asking a question if Russia invaded Ukraine is either meaningless, or it implies that the occupied land is not Ukrainian.
- thghtihadanacct 5y ago
  Yeah, they already did. As a US citizen I am OK with our moral obligation.
romwell 5y ago
The answer has been "yes" since 2014. It's just the continuation and escalation of their 2014 invasion.
mikewarot 5y ago
The peaceful Tuesday morning as seen live via webcam of Sophia Square in Kiev says not yet. https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/ukraine/kiev/sophia-square/ https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/ukraine/kiev/sophia-square... I'm tired of the Military/Industrial/Corporate Media Complex tail trying to wag the dog.
- omegabravo 5y ago
  What would you expect to see in the camera at 6:30am if troops start crossing the border 400km away? I'm not across the situation entirely, but I'm not sure what that camera is supposed to show
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    I'd expect no webcam, no internet, if Ukraine were actually invaded, as all the noise seems to indicate is about to happen. I wouldn't expect to see Dnipro lit like a Christmas tree every night, or families with their kids out at the slopes during the day, or people just going about their lives.
    - mxmilkiib 5y ago
      Why would you expect that in this day and age?
      - mikewarot 5y ago
        >Why would you expect that in this day and age? Because that's what happened the last time the US declared war. (December 8, 1941) I've been told that we're on the brink of real, actual war. I've been lead to believe that almost all of Russia's army is ready to storm the entire country of Ukraine. For me, as an old fart... WWIII includes seeing a flash outside my window, and ceasing to be about 10 seconds later as it becomes 5000+ degrees. People further away from the heart of the nation's industrial capacity would eventually see thousands of mushroom clouds. I expect the deaths of hundreds of millions, if not Billions, if WWIII kicks off. --- That's what I've been told to expect, but that's not what I actually expect. I expect this to be a lot of noise, a much smaller number of deaths. Still unnecessary, and tragic deaths, and deprivations. I expect life in the US and everywhere not immediately in the area to continue as normal. I expect a wave of refugees. I expect backlash to build, as it is certainly building for the USA as we deliberately starve those in Afghanistan at the moment. (Really, the last time we did it, we got Bin Laden as part of the backlash, can't we learn?) I know that nobody but an idiot, or someone with a profit to gain from it, wants war. sorry about the rant, but that's my honest answer to your question PS: If the other stupid possible outcome of this happens, and "cyber weapons" start to be used, the world could end up with large chunks of our infrastructure disabled for widely ranging periods of time. The knock-on effects of that could be anywhere from as bad as the effects of Covid19 to civilization ending.
    - artem247 5y ago
      Well, first of all, that's not how it works. When Crimea was occupied, people were going on with their lives. When separatists stormed into government buildings, in other parts of Ukraine people were going on with their lives — except for those who volunteered in the army. No internet would happen only if Russia will bombard the infrastructure. What if they just invade eastern regions, why don't it qualify as invasion? They literally stated that they do not recognise the sovereignty of Ukraine on their government channel by their highest official. People are going on about their lives — because they have nowhere to go, there is nothing they can do, why is this so hard to comprehend? Kyiv looks half-deserted, there is easily two times less cars on the road, and there is much less people on the streets, everyone buying matches and candles. People are scared. In two days, 4 army Ukrainian army members have been killed by shelling.
- mlindner 5y ago
  Please don't act like a Russian media bot.
  - etotolkoya 5y ago
    why, in your opinion russian people don't have the right to say what they think without being immediately insulted?
    - mlindner 5y ago
      Russian people are currently living in a Russian media fog that blinds them to reality.
bilbyx 5y ago
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-go...
poisonarena 5y ago
"Get Live Updates Here:" then it just goes to CNN.com ... surely there is a better website .. Maybe? https://liveuamap.com/ https://liveuamap.com/ any others? What is the best website for doomscrolling?
- exabrial 5y ago
  I trust CNN about as much as a fart during flu season. I have found this YouTube channel be extremely informative instead: https://www.youtube.com/c/S2Underground/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/S2Underground/videos
  - pcdoodle 5y ago
    ROFL. So true.
  - ivraatiems 5y ago
    Why do you trust the YouTube channel more than CNN? What has it done to earn your trust? Would you trust it more than Fox News? Than Reuters or the AP? How come? It makes little sense to be intensely skeptical of the quality of news from a large news corporation, even a biased one, and to then uncritically accept the quality of news from a smaller, more anonymous organization. A Google search for the channel that you linked gives me absolutely nothing that signals to me they are trustworthy, and quite a bit that suggests they are not. How did you find them?
    - exabrial 5y ago
      CNN and Faux news are both as reliable as the Daily Show for accurate news. All three are comedies. Question: Did you even watch any of the videos before deciding your opinion?
      - ivraatiems 5y ago
        I don't think I need to watch any videos from that channel in order to have the opinion "videos from anonymous YouTube channels are unlikely to be high quality news sources." Even if I did watch their videos, what would that tell me? In what context should I judge them? Do they cite sources other than their anonymous presenter's own knowledge? Do I have sufficient knowledge to evaluate the sources they give me, if they give me any? You haven't really answered my question: What has this entity done to earn your trust?

56 points by greatjack613 5y ago

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. It has annexed Crimea and occupied parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces. Asking a question if Russia invaded Ukraine is either meaningless, or it implies that the occupied land is not Ukrainian.

thghtihadanacct 5y ago
Yeah, they already did. As a US citizen I am OK with our moral obligation.

romwell 5y ago

The answer has been "yes" since 2014. It's just the continuation and escalation of their 2014 invasion.

mikewarot 5y ago

The peaceful Tuesday morning as seen live via webcam of Sophia Square in Kiev says not yet. https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/ukraine/kiev/sophia-square/ https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/ukraine/kiev/sophia-square... I'm tired of the Military/Industrial/Corporate Media Complex tail trying to wag the dog.

omegabravo 5y ago
What would you expect to see in the camera at 6:30am if troops start crossing the border 400km away? I'm not across the situation entirely, but I'm not sure what that camera is supposed to show
- mikewarot 5y ago
  I'd expect no webcam, no internet, if Ukraine were actually invaded, as all the noise seems to indicate is about to happen. I wouldn't expect to see Dnipro lit like a Christmas tree every night, or families with their kids out at the slopes during the day, or people just going about their lives.
  - mxmilkiib 5y ago
    Why would you expect that in this day and age?
    - mikewarot 5y ago
      >Why would you expect that in this day and age? Because that's what happened the last time the US declared war. (December 8, 1941) I've been told that we're on the brink of real, actual war. I've been lead to believe that almost all of Russia's army is ready to storm the entire country of Ukraine. For me, as an old fart... WWIII includes seeing a flash outside my window, and ceasing to be about 10 seconds later as it becomes 5000+ degrees. People further away from the heart of the nation's industrial capacity would eventually see thousands of mushroom clouds. I expect the deaths of hundreds of millions, if not Billions, if WWIII kicks off. --- That's what I've been told to expect, but that's not what I actually expect. I expect this to be a lot of noise, a much smaller number of deaths. Still unnecessary, and tragic deaths, and deprivations. I expect life in the US and everywhere not immediately in the area to continue as normal. I expect a wave of refugees. I expect backlash to build, as it is certainly building for the USA as we deliberately starve those in Afghanistan at the moment. (Really, the last time we did it, we got Bin Laden as part of the backlash, can't we learn?) I know that nobody but an idiot, or someone with a profit to gain from it, wants war. sorry about the rant, but that's my honest answer to your question PS: If the other stupid possible outcome of this happens, and "cyber weapons" start to be used, the world could end up with large chunks of our infrastructure disabled for widely ranging periods of time. The knock-on effects of that could be anywhere from as bad as the effects of Covid19 to civilization ending.
  - artem247 5y ago
    Well, first of all, that's not how it works. When Crimea was occupied, people were going on with their lives. When separatists stormed into government buildings, in other parts of Ukraine people were going on with their lives — except for those who volunteered in the army. No internet would happen only if Russia will bombard the infrastructure. What if they just invade eastern regions, why don't it qualify as invasion? They literally stated that they do not recognise the sovereignty of Ukraine on their government channel by their highest official. People are going on about their lives — because they have nowhere to go, there is nothing they can do, why is this so hard to comprehend? Kyiv looks half-deserted, there is easily two times less cars on the road, and there is much less people on the streets, everyone buying matches and candles. People are scared. In two days, 4 army Ukrainian army members have been killed by shelling.
mlindner 5y ago
Please don't act like a Russian media bot.
- etotolkoya 5y ago
  why, in your opinion russian people don't have the right to say what they think without being immediately insulted?
  - mlindner 5y ago
    Russian people are currently living in a Russian media fog that blinds them to reality.

bilbyx 5y ago

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-go...

poisonarena 5y ago

"Get Live Updates Here:" then it just goes to CNN.com ... surely there is a better website .. Maybe? https://liveuamap.com/ https://liveuamap.com/ any others? What is the best website for doomscrolling?

exabrial 5y ago
I trust CNN about as much as a fart during flu season. I have found this YouTube channel be extremely informative instead: https://www.youtube.com/c/S2Underground/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/S2Underground/videos
- pcdoodle 5y ago
  ROFL. So true.
- ivraatiems 5y ago
  Why do you trust the YouTube channel more than CNN? What has it done to earn your trust? Would you trust it more than Fox News? Than Reuters or the AP? How come? It makes little sense to be intensely skeptical of the quality of news from a large news corporation, even a biased one, and to then uncritically accept the quality of news from a smaller, more anonymous organization. A Google search for the channel that you linked gives me absolutely nothing that signals to me they are trustworthy, and quite a bit that suggests they are not. How did you find them?
  - exabrial 5y ago
    CNN and Faux news are both as reliable as the Daily Show for accurate news. All three are comedies. Question: Did you even watch any of the videos before deciding your opinion?
    - ivraatiems 5y ago
      I don't think I need to watch any videos from that channel in order to have the opinion "videos from anonymous YouTube channels are unlikely to be high quality news sources." Even if I did watch their videos, what would that tell me? In what context should I judge them? Do they cite sources other than their anonymous presenter's own knowledge? Do I have sufficient knowledge to evaluate the sources they give me, if they give me any? You haven't really answered my question: What has this entity done to earn your trust?