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> Ali is not guilty, marketing is purely scam these days, he is just following the trend. Following criminals is not a valid justification in front of a jury.

> Ali is not guilty, marketing is purely scam these days, he is just following the trend. Following criminals is not a valid justification in front of a jury. Crime is a common occurrence, it does not make it not crime. Everybody is the same is just an excuse for criminals to not feel guilty about their acts.

kahrl 5y ago
"BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT!" - 6 year old me.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  There is legal precedent for this, at least in Australia. If you are fired for doing something wrong that others are also doing (and they're not fired for it), you have a case for an unfair dismissal suit [1]. I'm sure it applies elsewhere too. [1] IANAL
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system2 5y ago
True, I am of course not supporting Ali, but singling him out as if he created a scheme on his own is wrong. I can easily bet my one month salary on 99% of marketing companies out there doing the same. I know it from personal experience because I had to work with many from Los Angeles thru my clients. All deception and lies. Ali said 6 months commission and no client signed. Does he owe money? No. Did he lie? Yes, because he created fake profiles and lied about his resume as well as his company portfolio. Every marketing company does the same without an exception.
- gkoberger 5y ago
  I mean, that's a bet I'll take. Everyone exaggerates a bit, but there's no way you really believe 99 out of 100 marketing companies are making up fake coworkers and flat-out lying about their entire portfolio.
  - system2 5y ago
    Probably a little exaggerated, make it 90%. Maybe top 1% is doing it right. Small / medium marketing companies are not telling the truth ever. Show me some marketing companies and I can spot their lies within minutes for you. I am very used to it.
    - hammock 5y ago
      You are getting downvoted to pieces, but working in the industry myself you are closer to the truth than others want to believe.
    - dj_mc_merlin 5y ago
      You are exaggerating.. but not too far off. Having experience with small marketing agencies (which are very often actually just one dude), the amount of "creativity" in their "strategies" is insane, and probably criminal. And yes, they all claim everybody else is doing it too.

kahrl 5y ago

"BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT!" - 6 year old me.

AussieWog93 5y ago
There is legal precedent for this, at least in Australia. If you are fired for doing something wrong that others are also doing (and they're not fired for it), you have a case for an unfair dismissal suit [1]. I'm sure it applies elsewhere too. [1] IANAL
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system2 5y ago

True, I am of course not supporting Ali, but singling him out as if he created a scheme on his own is wrong. I can easily bet my one month salary on 99% of marketing companies out there doing the same. I know it from personal experience because I had to work with many from Los Angeles thru my clients. All deception and lies. Ali said 6 months commission and no client signed. Does he owe money? No. Did he lie? Yes, because he created fake profiles and lied about his resume as well as his company portfolio. Every marketing company does the same without an exception.

gkoberger 5y ago
I mean, that's a bet I'll take. Everyone exaggerates a bit, but there's no way you really believe 99 out of 100 marketing companies are making up fake coworkers and flat-out lying about their entire portfolio.
- system2 5y ago
  Probably a little exaggerated, make it 90%. Maybe top 1% is doing it right. Small / medium marketing companies are not telling the truth ever. Show me some marketing companies and I can spot their lies within minutes for you. I am very used to it.
  - hammock 5y ago
    You are getting downvoted to pieces, but working in the industry myself you are closer to the truth than others want to believe.
  - dj_mc_merlin 5y ago
    You are exaggerating.. but not too far off. Having experience with small marketing agencies (which are very often actually just one dude), the amount of "creativity" in their "strategies" is insane, and probably criminal. And yes, they all claim everybody else is doing it too.