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I love hearing about developer experiences by solo devs. As a potential solo dev, I was actually looking to go the Spring Boot route. I think Java has gone in a

I love hearing about developer experiences by solo devs. As a potential solo dev, I was actually looking to go the Spring Boot route. I think Java has gone in a better direction the past few years, and I prefer it over PHP due to static typing, functional programming (to a point), and the tooling. Spring Boot seems to provide a lot of the same development productivity. My only other experience is with Rails and Django, although those have been with small projects. I always find these technical decisions to be difficult to gauge when you're starting off.

rahkiin 5y ago
I also find these decisions very hard. I switched from NodeJS to Spring Boot some 5 years ago when I found that the JS community moved faster than my clients could pay me to keep up to date. It has been great to make apps in Java with Thymeleaf, until I wanted to add dynamic frontends (a lot of advantages vanished) or when I tried to put Java on my CV. I am now considering switching to .NET and Angular. I would be happy to have a talk on this topic: what directions to take as solo-dev. I find that a whole different set of requirements apply.
- pooya72 5y ago
  Hey that's fantastic. I'd love to hear more! You went 5 years in the direct direction I want to go (Spring Boot + Thymeleaf). I'm a bit confused why you were having difficulty finding work with Java. Seems like there's a lot of Java work out there.
  - rahkiin 5y ago
    What I found, and I may have been wrong, is that there is a lot of Java work but if you look deeper it is hardcore Java EE with all thise 200 levels of Java that a lot of folks fear. And so do I. Even jobs that had Spring Boot asked for the JavaEE experience. Could be just me though.
    - mgkimsal 5y ago
      I don't think it's just you. I came off a java gig about couple years back - typical enterprise... stuff. Lots of legacy stuff from 10-15 years ago that few people knew anything about, mixed docs, some tests, but not useful to learn from. Even pre-covid, far too few people for the size of the codebase and where they were trying to go. I started in October, I was given a ticket in November that someone else - who had left months earlier - estimated at '40 hours' in May of that year. This was my first 'task' at the company, and ... it took way more than 40 hours. It took 40 calendar hours to get a meeting with the PM to actually walk me through how to set up the bug the ticket was about. Some bigwig threw up to my manager that I was 'over budget' and 'threatened their client relationship' because I was taking so long (on a ticket that had been sitting around 5 months before it was estimated, then another 6 months before someone started working on it). They routinely rejected requests for info on the issue, or access to servers/data/etc. So... I went part time then, and moved in to something else pretty quickly. I know not all Java shops are like that, but it was like living in an enterprise cliché.
- cutler 5y ago
  I don't understand why putting Java on your CV was a problem nor why you're considering switching to .Net. Here in London good Java developers earn a premium and along with PHP you will always find jobs with these languages in any location.
- udbhavs 5y ago
  Check out NestJS (https://nestjs.com/ https://nestjs.com/) - it's a typescript framework for Node inspired by both Spring and the Angular architecture.
lnxg33k1 5y ago
If your points are with static typing functional and tooling i would give another look to PHP 8/ symfony|Laravel

rahkiin 5y ago

I also find these decisions very hard. I switched from NodeJS to Spring Boot some 5 years ago when I found that the JS community moved faster than my clients could pay me to keep up to date. It has been great to make apps in Java with Thymeleaf, until I wanted to add dynamic frontends (a lot of advantages vanished) or when I tried to put Java on my CV. I am now considering switching to .NET and Angular. I would be happy to have a talk on this topic: what directions to take as solo-dev. I find that a whole different set of requirements apply.

pooya72 5y ago
Hey that's fantastic. I'd love to hear more! You went 5 years in the direct direction I want to go (Spring Boot + Thymeleaf). I'm a bit confused why you were having difficulty finding work with Java. Seems like there's a lot of Java work out there.
- rahkiin 5y ago
  What I found, and I may have been wrong, is that there is a lot of Java work but if you look deeper it is hardcore Java EE with all thise 200 levels of Java that a lot of folks fear. And so do I. Even jobs that had Spring Boot asked for the JavaEE experience. Could be just me though.
  - mgkimsal 5y ago
    I don't think it's just you. I came off a java gig about couple years back - typical enterprise... stuff. Lots of legacy stuff from 10-15 years ago that few people knew anything about, mixed docs, some tests, but not useful to learn from. Even pre-covid, far too few people for the size of the codebase and where they were trying to go. I started in October, I was given a ticket in November that someone else - who had left months earlier - estimated at '40 hours' in May of that year. This was my first 'task' at the company, and ... it took way more than 40 hours. It took 40 calendar hours to get a meeting with the PM to actually walk me through how to set up the bug the ticket was about. Some bigwig threw up to my manager that I was 'over budget' and 'threatened their client relationship' because I was taking so long (on a ticket that had been sitting around 5 months before it was estimated, then another 6 months before someone started working on it). They routinely rejected requests for info on the issue, or access to servers/data/etc. So... I went part time then, and moved in to something else pretty quickly. I know not all Java shops are like that, but it was like living in an enterprise cliché.
cutler 5y ago
I don't understand why putting Java on your CV was a problem nor why you're considering switching to .Net. Here in London good Java developers earn a premium and along with PHP you will always find jobs with these languages in any location.
udbhavs 5y ago
Check out NestJS (https://nestjs.com/ https://nestjs.com/) - it's a typescript framework for Node inspired by both Spring and the Angular architecture.

lnxg33k1 5y ago

If your points are with static typing functional and tooling i would give another look to PHP 8/ symfony|Laravel