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GoFundMe Statement on the Freedom Convoy 2022 Fundraiser

38 points by joe_91 5y ago

gkalyT 5y ago
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- joe_91 5y ago
  I think it's interesting how they justify giving 1 million of the donation proceeds to the Organisers but then decide that the rest just doesn't make the cut. It would be nice if they provided some evidence showing the organisers having anything to do with - "promotion of violence and harassment". With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc...
  - version_five 5y ago
    > With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc... Right, and there is the opportunity for the spin. A protest you like, it's a few isolated incidents, a protest you don't like, you focus nonstop on the few bad people that come out. From the coverage I've seen, if the absolute worse things they can find are what's been covered nonstop (a couple flags, dressing up a statue unoffensively, people peeing outside) I think it's hard to argue this is a violent or dangerous protest. But people on both sides have a political agenda and are hammering on that instead of having an actual dialog
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc... especially it's so easy to plant some people, and you have a whole league of people in modern democracies who are doing such kind of operations on a payroll.
    - DaltonCoffee 5y ago
      I was honestly shocked by the lack of agent provacateurs.
- jim-jim-jim 5y ago
  Please don't besmirch Cuba by comparing it to Canada.
joe_91 5y ago
This is where a decentralised fundraising platform would come in handy :)
- ekianjo 5y ago
  Not sure if you can call it decentralized, but there is liberapay.
gofundyourself 5y ago
Akaahn 5y ago
Suppression of wrong-think, nothing new when it comes to GoFundMe.
prvc 5y ago
>we will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities verified by GoFundMe. >All donors may submit a request for a full refund until February 19th, 2022 using this dedicated refund form. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that their decision not to disburse funds to the protests is justified, I don't understand why a legitimate business operating in good faith would not give the donators refunds as the default action. Requiring them to submit a form in order to possibly avoid re-appropriation of their money feels like theft from the donators.
- joe_91 5y ago
  My only thought on their refunding process is that maybe they don't have a simple way to just click one button to refund everyone for that specific campaign? We should probably not assume bad intent on their part!
- ren_engineer 5y ago
  I don't see how this is even legal, GoFundMe is basically stealing the funds and doing whatever they want with them. Refunds should be automatic without an opt-in required. The fact they waited until Friday evening is even more sketchy. If ever there was a use case for crypto and smart contracts a GoFundMe replacement would be it
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    > If ever there was a use case for crypto and smart contracts a GoFundMe replacement would be it Right, then the money would literally disappear due to a random coding bug.
  - NikolaNovak 5y ago
    How in the world would crypto make a difference? If you want to send money directly to a person in an irrevocable way, do so. If however you want to use an established intermediary platform with standardized and seamless fundraising and distribution and payment processing capability and its own terms of service... How would crypto change that? We can't just use the magic world to wave problems away... This is the type of statement that breeds deep skepticism and even cynicism of crypto currencies and eco system.
jvol83 5y ago
Apparently despite defacing many monuments around our capitol, blocking access for emergency services, desecrating the tomb of the unknown soldier by urinating on it, and literally throwing shit at a business because they had a pride flag up some people will still support these idiots. I don't care who you are - what your politics are or anything else, if you associate with a group who has done the things these "peaceful protesters" have, you are completely in the wrong.
- Covzire 5y ago
  The vast majority of them are not doing any of those things; the vast majority just want the same basic bodily autonomy you do to opt out of experimental drugs they don't want or need.
  - jvol83 5y ago
    Irrelevent. They are acting as a group. If anyone within the group had stopped the others, I would agree with you in principal, even if not fact. But they didn't, they stood by and watched or cheered. They enabled. Literally throwing shit is not peaceful protest. Urinating on a war memorial is not peaceful protest. Blocking access for ambulances - potentially causing significant harm or death - is not peaceful protest. Ottawa has peaceful protests all the time - this is not that.
    - Covzire 5y ago
      Their livelihoods are being threatened by fascists who are lying about them constantly, Trudeau is calling them every name in the book, yet where is the evidence? Where exactly are you seeing all these things taking place? If you watch any of the man-on-the-street video streams you'll see an overwhelmingly peaceful protest taking place with the media constantly lying about them because they won't bow their knee to Pfizer and Moderna.
    - nradov 5y ago
      I have no stake in this protest one way or the other but I'm curious how you expect the peaceful protesters to stop the bad actors? Ask them politely? Shoot them? Call the police?
xqcgrek2 5y ago
I don't see why anyone would use GoFundMe after this. Did they similarly freeze fundraisers during the BLM riots?
- 0xy 5y ago
  The GoFundMe Team themselves donated $150 to a criminal who brought a molotov cocktail to a protest to (in his words!) "start fires". [1] When they fund domestic terrorists, it's fine. [1] https://twitter.com/antifawatch2/status/1489778959835357189 https://twitter.com/antifawatch2/status/1489778959835357189
- jcadam 5y ago
  LOL, no. Apparently they didn’t feel that CHAZ in Seattle was an illegal occupation either.
qwertyuiop_ 5y ago
This is theft. You reverse the transactions. Not give it to whoever you think is the rightful recipient.
ekianjo 5y ago
> (Term 8, which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment) So when it's all violence by the State it's all peachy and fine. > law enforcement Why do you even trust the claims of law enforcement? They are not a neutral party at all. > promotion of violence Erm, BLM riots were not THAT long ago, GoFundMe do you think we forgot things so fast?

38 points by joe_91 5y ago

gkalyT 5y ago

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joe_91 5y ago
I think it's interesting how they justify giving 1 million of the donation proceeds to the Organisers but then decide that the rest just doesn't make the cut. It would be nice if they provided some evidence showing the organisers having anything to do with - "promotion of violence and harassment". With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc...
- version_five 5y ago
  > With any of these large scale protests there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc... Right, and there is the opportunity for the spin. A protest you like, it's a few isolated incidents, a protest you don't like, you focus nonstop on the few bad people that come out. From the coverage I've seen, if the absolute worse things they can find are what's been covered nonstop (a couple flags, dressing up a statue unoffensively, people peeing outside) I think it's hard to argue this is a violent or dangerous protest. But people on both sides have a political agenda and are hammering on that instead of having an actual dialog
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > there will be some bad eggs who appear to cause havoc... especially it's so easy to plant some people, and you have a whole league of people in modern democracies who are doing such kind of operations on a payroll.
  - DaltonCoffee 5y ago
    I was honestly shocked by the lack of agent provacateurs.
jim-jim-jim 5y ago
Please don't besmirch Cuba by comparing it to Canada.

joe_91 5y ago

This is where a decentralised fundraising platform would come in handy :)

ekianjo 5y ago
Not sure if you can call it decentralized, but there is liberapay.

gofundyourself 5y ago

Akaahn 5y ago

Suppression of wrong-think, nothing new when it comes to GoFundMe.

prvc 5y ago

>we will work with organizers to send all remaining funds to credible and established charities verified by GoFundMe. >All donors may submit a request for a full refund until February 19th, 2022 using this dedicated refund form. Even if we grant for the sake of argument that their decision not to disburse funds to the protests is justified, I don't understand why a legitimate business operating in good faith would not give the donators refunds as the default action. Requiring them to submit a form in order to possibly avoid re-appropriation of their money feels like theft from the donators.

joe_91 5y ago
My only thought on their refunding process is that maybe they don't have a simple way to just click one button to refund everyone for that specific campaign? We should probably not assume bad intent on their part!
ren_engineer 5y ago
I don't see how this is even legal, GoFundMe is basically stealing the funds and doing whatever they want with them. Refunds should be automatic without an opt-in required. The fact they waited until Friday evening is even more sketchy. If ever there was a use case for crypto and smart contracts a GoFundMe replacement would be it
- zozbot234 5y ago
  > If ever there was a use case for crypto and smart contracts a GoFundMe replacement would be it Right, then the money would literally disappear due to a random coding bug.
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  How in the world would crypto make a difference? If you want to send money directly to a person in an irrevocable way, do so. If however you want to use an established intermediary platform with standardized and seamless fundraising and distribution and payment processing capability and its own terms of service... How would crypto change that? We can't just use the magic world to wave problems away... This is the type of statement that breeds deep skepticism and even cynicism of crypto currencies and eco system.

jvol83 5y ago

Apparently despite defacing many monuments around our capitol, blocking access for emergency services, desecrating the tomb of the unknown soldier by urinating on it, and literally throwing shit at a business because they had a pride flag up some people will still support these idiots. I don't care who you are - what your politics are or anything else, if you associate with a group who has done the things these "peaceful protesters" have, you are completely in the wrong.

Covzire 5y ago
The vast majority of them are not doing any of those things; the vast majority just want the same basic bodily autonomy you do to opt out of experimental drugs they don't want or need.
- jvol83 5y ago
  Irrelevent. They are acting as a group. If anyone within the group had stopped the others, I would agree with you in principal, even if not fact. But they didn't, they stood by and watched or cheered. They enabled. Literally throwing shit is not peaceful protest. Urinating on a war memorial is not peaceful protest. Blocking access for ambulances - potentially causing significant harm or death - is not peaceful protest. Ottawa has peaceful protests all the time - this is not that.
  - Covzire 5y ago
    Their livelihoods are being threatened by fascists who are lying about them constantly, Trudeau is calling them every name in the book, yet where is the evidence? Where exactly are you seeing all these things taking place? If you watch any of the man-on-the-street video streams you'll see an overwhelmingly peaceful protest taking place with the media constantly lying about them because they won't bow their knee to Pfizer and Moderna.
  - nradov 5y ago
    I have no stake in this protest one way or the other but I'm curious how you expect the peaceful protesters to stop the bad actors? Ask them politely? Shoot them? Call the police?

xqcgrek2 5y ago

I don't see why anyone would use GoFundMe after this. Did they similarly freeze fundraisers during the BLM riots?

0xy 5y ago
The GoFundMe Team themselves donated $150 to a criminal who brought a molotov cocktail to a protest to (in his words!) "start fires". [1] When they fund domestic terrorists, it's fine. [1] https://twitter.com/antifawatch2/status/1489778959835357189 https://twitter.com/antifawatch2/status/1489778959835357189
jcadam 5y ago
LOL, no. Apparently they didn’t feel that CHAZ in Seattle was an illegal occupation either.

qwertyuiop_ 5y ago

This is theft. You reverse the transactions. Not give it to whoever you think is the rightful recipient.

ekianjo 5y ago

> (Term 8, which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment) So when it's all violence by the State it's all peachy and fine. > law enforcement Why do you even trust the claims of law enforcement? They are not a neutral party at all. > promotion of violence Erm, BLM riots were not THAT long ago, GoFundMe do you think we forgot things so fast?