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Isn't the preferred solution just to continue hacking at Wine? With Proton going big this year, I'm hopeful that the non-gaming side of Wine is going to start g

by lvs 5y ago

Isn't the preferred solution just to continue hacking at Wine? With Proton going big this year, I'm hopeful that the non-gaming side of Wine is going to start getting more and more development attention soon. The performance is so much better than virtualization. Fingers crossed.

Tenoke 5y ago
I don't think it's possible for wine to translate everything perfectly the way a VM can even in theory. It's definitely getting better but you can't get rid of the need for VMs for all Windows software.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
What program do you have an issue with? Wine has been supporting a lot of non gaming software for a long time better than Windows itself. Proton has similarly been good for a long time, it has been big. The deck wasn’t some magical finished product it was built on the skelton of steam machines.
- oogetyboogety 5y ago
  Only some of my games tend to work on Proton. Anti cheat software is really getting in the way most of the time.
- lvs 5y ago
  Oh Wine is still incredibly buggy, but I'm still a big supporter obviously. Even Microsoft and Adobe products work barely with exactly the right versions and winetricks with the occasional tinkering, interface bugs, crashes. These are bugs that haven't been fixed in many years. I think an interesting development target for them would just be to choose the top 25 productivity apps and make the last 3 or 4 versions work smoothly without requiring users to spend time troubleshooting the installation, activation, getting standard app functions to work, etc.. Valve has leverage with game developers who rely on Steam for distribution to work together to get games working in Proton, but the same relationship doesn't exist for other non-native apps and Wine. So the development really needs to happen on the wine side.
- phil294 5y ago
  Games and basic UI elements work great, but there's still several WinAPIs unsupported. 2D drawing for example: Paint.net, the in my opinion best image editor in existence, is borked.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
there are just too many libraries out there for windows, best they can do is aim for the big, popular programs and hope for the best with the rest. This is why VM's will probably be your best bet for the next bit.

by lvs 5y ago

Tenoke 5y ago

I don't think it's possible for wine to translate everything perfectly the way a VM can even in theory. It's definitely getting better but you can't get rid of the need for VMs for all Windows software.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

What program do you have an issue with? Wine has been supporting a lot of non gaming software for a long time better than Windows itself. Proton has similarly been good for a long time, it has been big. The deck wasn’t some magical finished product it was built on the skelton of steam machines.

oogetyboogety 5y ago
Only some of my games tend to work on Proton. Anti cheat software is really getting in the way most of the time.
lvs 5y ago
Oh Wine is still incredibly buggy, but I'm still a big supporter obviously. Even Microsoft and Adobe products work barely with exactly the right versions and winetricks with the occasional tinkering, interface bugs, crashes. These are bugs that haven't been fixed in many years. I think an interesting development target for them would just be to choose the top 25 productivity apps and make the last 3 or 4 versions work smoothly without requiring users to spend time troubleshooting the installation, activation, getting standard app functions to work, etc.. Valve has leverage with game developers who rely on Steam for distribution to work together to get games working in Proton, but the same relationship doesn't exist for other non-native apps and Wine. So the development really needs to happen on the wine side.
phil294 5y ago
Games and basic UI elements work great, but there's still several WinAPIs unsupported. 2D drawing for example: Paint.net, the in my opinion best image editor in existence, is borked.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

there are just too many libraries out there for windows, best they can do is aim for the big, popular programs and hope for the best with the rest. This is why VM's will probably be your best bet for the next bit.