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Yeah, just like how we started boycotting China when we found out about the human rights violations against their own majority population, and outright atrociti

Yeah, just like how we started boycotting China when we found out about the human rights violations against their own majority population, and outright atrocities against their own people. At worst, these sattellite images will cause an outrage on Twitter until the mob finds something else to be angry about. People are too dependent on their product to do something that would actually hurt these businesses.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>At worst, these sattellite images will cause an outrage on Twitter until the mob finds something else to be angry about. Before the mob finds something else a small guy is gonna be made a scapegoat out of, like that one small-ish bank that got prosecuted over subprime lending. What message does that send to the real offenders?
tluyben2 5y ago
Yeah or a country taking over part of another country and shooting down a passenger plane and no-one gave a crap. I am surprised there is so much hub-hub about the UA this time around, happily surprised for sure, but I kind of gave up.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  > Yeah or a country taking over part of another country and shooting down a passenger plane and no-one gave a crap. Is this about MH-17 shot down over Ukraine? There's arrest warrants out for the people responsible at the moment; they know what happened and who was responsible.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    I think that’s the point. It was 2014, a long time ago, and those people are still free. Russia is spoiling for a war in the region and clearly doesn’t care about the part they played.
jacquesm 5y ago
This is a pretty low value comment. The fact that we can do something about gas leaks has nothing to do with China. Also: the party owning the pipeline has a pretty strong incentive to stop those leaks, it costs them money.
- bmitc 5y ago
  Depending on the specifics, companies often don’t fix things because it would be more expensive, perceived or real, to fix the issue(a) than just dealing with the consequences of whatever it is being broken. Companies don’t operate on morals or principles outside of what makes them more money or what they think makes them more money.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Gas leaks have the potential of resulting in serious damage to the pipes, besides the losses.
    - throwthere 5y ago
      According to the article most “leaks” are intentional venting.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Yes, those are problematic. This tends to happen when a pipeline changes payloads. I know a little bit about this: typically what they try to do is to shuttle the 'interface' to a segment long enough to contain it completely, then vent that section by opening a valve at the end of the section, then push new material in until the mixture reaches a certain level of purity. Unfortunately, the mixture is useless and vented into the atmosphere. There ought to be a burden of responsibility to deal with that in a more ecological way on the pipeline operators, but these tend to be in bed with the nation states that are home to the pipes. A pipeline carrying a single substance or single mixture of substances can still vent, usually that is to deal with pressure excursions and is a safety measure.
    - 5y ago
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Or how we started boycotting the United States when we found out about the war crimes where they put and tortured prisoners of war in 'dark sites' and concentration camps in no man's land (gitmo) without trial or basic human rights and dignity for two decades. Or where they separated refugee parents from their children and put them in concentration camps where they had to sleep on concrete floors and beg for basic supplies, then 'lost' these children.
- harpersealtako 5y ago
  The whataboutism is right on cue today as always. Surely you're not suggesting a moral equivalency between Guantanamo Bay and the Uhygur concentration camps in Xinjiang?
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Why do they have to be the same? Both are vile, just in differing/varying ways. "Don't judge a man for a spec in his eye while you have a plank in yours", "those in glass houses..." etc etc. I'm not saying that condemnation isn't deserved in either direction, I'm agreeing that it is deserved in both directions simultaneously. For country A to tell country B they shouldn't do anything, they should absolutely expect country B to say what about X that you country A are doing.
    - RomanAlexander 5y ago
      It's ironic the cliche you use is contextually moral equivalency, the plank being more morally evil than the spec. Why do you absolutely think no one should be a recipient of moral condemnation given that no one is an angel? Do you think we should never hold people accountable?
      - dylan604 5y ago
        The whole point of the parable is that if you aren't faultless yourself, don't go pointing out faults in others. That's why I used it. It seems self-evident that it's making fun of those that acuse others of doing the very things (or similar) themselves. The man was making fun of gaslighting 2000 years ago. Where do you get that I'm suggesting otherwise?
jvanderbot 5y ago
We have evidence from the past that pointing out these leaks does lead to them being fixed. Financially, and environmentally, they are bad. That makes bad PR for the company. Did you know California does a "Methane survey"? https://amt.copernicus.org/articles/8/4383/2015/ https://amt.copernicus.org/articles/8/4383/2015/ https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/11/18/2129 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/11/18/2129 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab7b99/meta https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab7b99/... https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2020/EGU2020-9923.html?report=6207 https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2020/EGU2020-9923...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>At worst, these sattellite images will cause an outrage on Twitter until the mob finds something else to be angry about. Before the mob finds something else a small guy is gonna be made a scapegoat out of, like that one small-ish bank that got prosecuted over subprime lending. What message does that send to the real offenders?

tluyben2 5y ago

Yeah or a country taking over part of another country and shooting down a passenger plane and no-one gave a crap. I am surprised there is so much hub-hub about the UA this time around, happily surprised for sure, but I kind of gave up.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
> Yeah or a country taking over part of another country and shooting down a passenger plane and no-one gave a crap. Is this about MH-17 shot down over Ukraine? There's arrest warrants out for the people responsible at the moment; they know what happened and who was responsible.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  I think that’s the point. It was 2014, a long time ago, and those people are still free. Russia is spoiling for a war in the region and clearly doesn’t care about the part they played.

jacquesm 5y ago

This is a pretty low value comment. The fact that we can do something about gas leaks has nothing to do with China. Also: the party owning the pipeline has a pretty strong incentive to stop those leaks, it costs them money.

bmitc 5y ago
Depending on the specifics, companies often don’t fix things because it would be more expensive, perceived or real, to fix the issue(a) than just dealing with the consequences of whatever it is being broken. Companies don’t operate on morals or principles outside of what makes them more money or what they think makes them more money.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Gas leaks have the potential of resulting in serious damage to the pipes, besides the losses.
  - throwthere 5y ago
    According to the article most “leaks” are intentional venting.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Yes, those are problematic. This tends to happen when a pipeline changes payloads. I know a little bit about this: typically what they try to do is to shuttle the 'interface' to a segment long enough to contain it completely, then vent that section by opening a valve at the end of the section, then push new material in until the mixture reaches a certain level of purity. Unfortunately, the mixture is useless and vented into the atmosphere. There ought to be a burden of responsibility to deal with that in a more ecological way on the pipeline operators, but these tend to be in bed with the nation states that are home to the pipes. A pipeline carrying a single substance or single mixture of substances can still vent, usually that is to deal with pressure excursions and is a safety measure.
  - 5y ago

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

Or how we started boycotting the United States when we found out about the war crimes where they put and tortured prisoners of war in 'dark sites' and concentration camps in no man's land (gitmo) without trial or basic human rights and dignity for two decades. Or where they separated refugee parents from their children and put them in concentration camps where they had to sleep on concrete floors and beg for basic supplies, then 'lost' these children.

harpersealtako 5y ago
The whataboutism is right on cue today as always. Surely you're not suggesting a moral equivalency between Guantanamo Bay and the Uhygur concentration camps in Xinjiang?
- dylan604 5y ago
  Why do they have to be the same? Both are vile, just in differing/varying ways. "Don't judge a man for a spec in his eye while you have a plank in yours", "those in glass houses..." etc etc. I'm not saying that condemnation isn't deserved in either direction, I'm agreeing that it is deserved in both directions simultaneously. For country A to tell country B they shouldn't do anything, they should absolutely expect country B to say what about X that you country A are doing.
  - RomanAlexander 5y ago
    It's ironic the cliche you use is contextually moral equivalency, the plank being more morally evil than the spec. Why do you absolutely think no one should be a recipient of moral condemnation given that no one is an angel? Do you think we should never hold people accountable?
    - dylan604 5y ago
      The whole point of the parable is that if you aren't faultless yourself, don't go pointing out faults in others. That's why I used it. It seems self-evident that it's making fun of those that acuse others of doing the very things (or similar) themselves. The man was making fun of gaslighting 2000 years ago. Where do you get that I'm suggesting otherwise?

jvanderbot 5y ago

We have evidence from the past that pointing out these leaks does lead to them being fixed. Financially, and environmentally, they are bad. That makes bad PR for the company. Did you know California does a "Methane survey"? https://amt.copernicus.org/articles/8/4383/2015/ https://amt.copernicus.org/articles/8/4383/2015/ https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/11/18/2129 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/11/18/2129 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab7b99/meta https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab7b99/... https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2020/EGU2020-9923.html?report=6207 https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2020/EGU2020-9923...