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Customers are always free to leave. Nobody is forcing someone to pay for spotify so your argument is absurd on its face.

petee 5y ago
I mean, thats my point; if you could elaborate, because i'm not sure how that is absurd? Customers also are free to tell Spotify they aren't happy with the service before they leave. And then its Spotify's choice to either make their current customers happy, or try to welcome new ones to replace their cash.
toomuchtodo 5y ago
I find it difficult to argue for absolute speech freedom when people are dying on ventilators or poisoning their grandchildren with ivermectin from misinformation. “Yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire” sort of thing. There is no expectation or obligation of free speech on a private platform. Censorship arguments ring hollow when outright lies are weaponized and causing measurable, real harm.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  Who here is arguing that private businesses can’t deplatform? I’m arguing that they shouldn’t, not that they can’t. I’m not going to bite on the ivermectin/ventilator stuff because it’s just completely absurd. BTW the way you used the “it’s easy to argue” construction backwards.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    If you believe facts and verifiable events (that are trivially cited from multiple, reliable news organizations) are absurd, but also don’t believe misinformation that causes those very events shouldn’t be deplatformed, how can your arguments carry any validity? If your desire is to ignore the facts and instead yell into the void a position without substantiation (“no deplatforming! carry All The Speach Regardless of Content!), that sounds unlikely to persuade. I mean, you know they moderate this place too? Simply turn on “showdead” in your profile to see the deplatformed.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      > Simply turn on “showdead” in your profile to see the deplatformed. You have to jump through an extra hoop to see them at all, and you can't interact with them.

petee 5y ago

I mean, thats my point; if you could elaborate, because i'm not sure how that is absurd? Customers also are free to tell Spotify they aren't happy with the service before they leave. And then its Spotify's choice to either make their current customers happy, or try to welcome new ones to replace their cash.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

I find it difficult to argue for absolute speech freedom when people are dying on ventilators or poisoning their grandchildren with ivermectin from misinformation. “Yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire” sort of thing. There is no expectation or obligation of free speech on a private platform. Censorship arguments ring hollow when outright lies are weaponized and causing measurable, real harm.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
Who here is arguing that private businesses can’t deplatform? I’m arguing that they shouldn’t, not that they can’t. I’m not going to bite on the ivermectin/ventilator stuff because it’s just completely absurd. BTW the way you used the “it’s easy to argue” construction backwards.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  If you believe facts and verifiable events (that are trivially cited from multiple, reliable news organizations) are absurd, but also don’t believe misinformation that causes those very events shouldn’t be deplatformed, how can your arguments carry any validity? If your desire is to ignore the facts and instead yell into the void a position without substantiation (“no deplatforming! carry All The Speach Regardless of Content!), that sounds unlikely to persuade. I mean, you know they moderate this place too? Simply turn on “showdead” in your profile to see the deplatformed.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > Simply turn on “showdead” in your profile to see the deplatformed. You have to jump through an extra hoop to see them at all, and you can't interact with them.