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The real problem here is self-control and self-discipline, or the total lack thereof. It's just like the people I see on here who have some bad habit, like bro
by skeptical1 5y ago
The real problem here is self-control and self-discipline, or the total lack thereof.
It's just like the people I see on here who have some bad habit, like browsing Facebook or HN all day when they should be doing something more productive. They will do things like set up a special program to lock themselves out of the computer or out of the web browser--using some technical hack rather than the correct approach: which is to simply DECIDE not to do these things and WILL oneself not to do it, in the process developing self-control and self-discipline.
The reason an obese person has such a raging hunger is because they are in the HABIT of eating so much. Habits are hard to break, because it takes willpower and dedication, which the average person in our corrupt society has been brainwashed and trained from birth not to have. In this society, we are trained to be weak, passive consumer drones, to indulge every feeling and craving foisted upon us by media "influencers"; to always give in to impulse, to never to make own decisions or say NO to anything, and if we try, to quickly give up and make excuses for failure. And look what destruction it has wrought.
One might slip up at first and not perfectly follow through on the decided agenda, especially after a lifetime of being trained to just give up and give in, but the correct response is to note when one is slipping up and CONSCIOUSLY take corrective action, rather than give up and blame "luck" or whatever--which is a loser mentality, like the cigarette smoker who "just can't quit" as he takes another drag, until he dies of lung cancer.
I was not myself born as a perfect snowflake who never got into bad habits or screwed up in life. I have done plenty of both. The difference is I CHOSE to give up the bad habits and live differently, for the long term benefit. Once the good habit is locked in place, doing the right thing is effortless.
If a fat or obese person decides to make a change, they will. If they quit eating garbage and cut back on portions, they will crave it for a time, but over time the cravings will lessen, and then disappear entirely. It's simply a matter of breaking old habits and forming new, better ones.
There was a time I used to drink soft drinks and eat fast food and Doritos like the typical fat ass does. The very conveniently placed vending machines at the government-owned school, with all the conveniently located fast food establishments, helped and encouraged me to develop these habits. Now after breaking the habit, none of this junk appeals to me AT ALL. There is ZERO appeal. From the outside, now I can see it to be what it actually is: JUNK. It is repulsive.
In time, as people change their habits, not only will much of this JUNK no longer appeal to them at all, but if any of it still does to some degree, they can indulge in it a little without harm--because they have developed the SELF-DISCIPLINE to control themselves.
- cecilpl2 5y agoWhile you are not wrong about self-discipline being an important factor, there are also genetic components to things like ghrelin and leptin levels and responsiveness. Not to mention also that the willpower to override your habits is a limited resource and not everyone has the ability to apply it to this aspect of their lives.
- skeptical1 5y ago
- rchaud 5y ago> If you refuse to understand this obvious truth, then perhaps you're right about yourself: you are mentally and genetically defective. For obvious reasons, we can't afford to have genetic defectives giving shitty advice that will enable others to ruin their lives, "Genetically defective" - who determines this? And how are we to know that you yourself are not 'defective'?
- skeptical1 5y agoHmmm...how about the fact that I don't engorge my piehole with mass quantities of junk food, become obese, then make pitiful and pathetic excuses for my lack of self control? How about the fact that at 41 years old, I am much healthier than 95% of the U.S. high school graduating class of 2022, many of whom are too fat to see their own feet without a mirror? How about the fact that my conscious CHOICES have kept me healthy and free of sickness for all of my adult life, despite society's attempt to brainwash me to become an unhealthy, disgusting lard ass? Do you think any of that might indicate some form of superiority? Do you agree with the other idiot that these poor, helpless obese people can't possibly do anything to help themselves? Then you are also genetically defective, and striving hard to bring down as many others as you can. The idiot himself admits he is defective. Isn't that the entire point of the "but I just can't help myself" excuse? I tried to help him see reason and overcome his poor mindset, but he steadfastly stuck to his "I'm just defective and can't help myself" excuse. So I guess in the end I am forced to agree with him.