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Sure, here's some research: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm As of last week

Sure, here's some research: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm As of last week, a total of 727 children 0-17 have died from Covid since the pandemic started, and that's including the children with comorbidities. And some more: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/04-COVID-Oster-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... There is a real risk of myocarditis for children after receiving the vaccine. Many cases of this require a hospital visit. There is a cost/benefit analysis on the vaccine for children that looks very different than the cost/benefit to adults. Where there is a risk, there should be a choice. Regarding the effects of "long covid", it seems to be pure speculation. The data is changing on this all the time, and not enough time has passed since the beginning of the pandemic to really nail down long-term effects of infection.

BobbyJo 5y ago
> The data is changing on this all the time, and not enough time has passed since the beginning of the pandemic to really nail down long-term effects of infection. This is a point in favor of vaccination no? Especially when the topic is children.
- collias 5y ago
  It's a neutral point. Neither the vaccine or the virus have been around long enough for long-term data.
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    I'd hardly consider 'we have no idea what the long term effects of this disease are' a neutral point. Would you rather catch the flu, or a new virus that has no symptoms and hasn't hurt anyone in the last 3 months since it showed up? If you had to think about that at all, then you have to admit a lack of long-term risk data is itself a risk when it comes to viruses. The relative risk that the vaccine has some unknown long term side effect is far smaller than a virus, especially when you consider that the vaccines are composed of non-replicating parts of the virus.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> As of last week, a total of 727 children 0-17 have died from Covid since the pandemic started Using death as the only negative outcome will produce completely incorrect conclusions. We know the death rate is low for children, assuming prompt access to ICUs when necessary. That doesn’t mean it’s harmless.
- collias 5y ago
  I wasn't implying that Covid is harmless, only that vaccinating children against it should be a choice given the data on risks/benefits we currently have.

BobbyJo 5y ago

> The data is changing on this all the time, and not enough time has passed since the beginning of the pandemic to really nail down long-term effects of infection. This is a point in favor of vaccination no? Especially when the topic is children.

collias 5y ago
It's a neutral point. Neither the vaccine or the virus have been around long enough for long-term data.
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  I'd hardly consider 'we have no idea what the long term effects of this disease are' a neutral point. Would you rather catch the flu, or a new virus that has no symptoms and hasn't hurt anyone in the last 3 months since it showed up? If you had to think about that at all, then you have to admit a lack of long-term risk data is itself a risk when it comes to viruses. The relative risk that the vaccine has some unknown long term side effect is far smaller than a virus, especially when you consider that the vaccines are composed of non-replicating parts of the virus.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> As of last week, a total of 727 children 0-17 have died from Covid since the pandemic started Using death as the only negative outcome will produce completely incorrect conclusions. We know the death rate is low for children, assuming prompt access to ICUs when necessary. That doesn’t mean it’s harmless.

collias 5y ago
I wasn't implying that Covid is harmless, only that vaccinating children against it should be a choice given the data on risks/benefits we currently have.