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Groupon probably damaged software IPO sentiment, and people want to see how Google+ will play out. Also, they don't really need the cash and waiting will allow

by dreamux 15y ago

Groupon probably damaged software IPO sentiment, and people want to see how Google+ will play out. Also, they don't really need the cash and waiting will allow them to build a consistent revenue history (which will probably be disclosed, along SEC rules of 500+ investors). They can wait this one out.

bhartzer 15y ago
You're right, now is probably not the optimal time for FB to do their IPO right now.
- dredmorbius 15y ago
  So, you're saying later might be a better time for FB to do their IPO right now?
andrewljohnson 15y ago
I think Google+ already played out, the same way Buzz did. It's now just an echo chamber filled with Google employees and my computer programmer friends. It was nice for about two days.
- dhruval 15y ago
  Google search trend data seems to agree with you... http://www.google.com/trends?q=google+buzz%2C+google+plus&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://www.google.com/trends?q=google+buzz%2C+google+plus&#3... But might just be the initial excitement dying down.
  - Steko 15y ago
    Comparison with linkedin, flickr, reddit (us only): http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=google%20plus%2Cflickr%2Clinkedin%2Creddit&geo=US&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=google%20plus%2Cfli... Will be interesting to see if that is a real plateau or as you say just the fading of initial interest boom. Next six months should be telling. It will also be interesting to see if they tie G+ into Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean somehow to help it snowball.
    - zizee 15y ago
      I love the way LinkedIn searches drop off at the end of each week. Makes sense since LinkedIn is for professional networking and people like to shutdown for the weekend.
- rorrr 15y ago
  Yeah, Google keeps making the same mistake by doing the closed invitation-only beta thing. My google plus is basically programmers and google employees posting shit from reddit and HN.
  - silverbax88 15y ago
    The first time they killed it (Buzz) by blowing privacy and automatically linking everyone in your email address book. This time they blew privacy by demanding everyone use their "Real Names". I'm not exactly sure why Google is so intent on getting this wrong, but wow, they sure are.
    - redorb 15y ago
      I agree with you on buzz's "Over sharing our address book" I don't agree with the "Real Names" claim; their are reasons to want people to use their own name. The only success google ever had with Invite only type thing was Gmail - I remember being so excited to get my invite and haven't moved since... That may have worked because those were different time on the internet and perhaps the other alternatives sucked so hard (hotmail, Yahoo!) I really don't understand the slow roll out at Google's scale - they should have released later but full-out and dedicated the resources in a "build it and they will come style" ~ even if they wasted the time because it failed it wouldn't be any worse than it is now... cause you didn't build it before hand they didn't come. - Why would people leave facebook to feel snubbed by 'having to wait for a Google+ invite'? - it wasn't 3x-10x better than the alternatives like Gmail was.
      - silverbax88 15y ago
        I don't know if I could agree with that, at least in this case. I'm sure invite-only isn't a good policy unless you are really beta testing, millions of users jumped on the bandwagon despite their being invites only, and then millions of users started abandoning the platform almost as fast. A decline in use is not the same as nobody jumping on. The numbers show that the rapid descent started almost immediately from the point that Google starting enforcing the Real Names policy.
- rdl 15y ago
  Google+ fell prey to Orkut-failure-mode for me (endless numbers of random people adding me). It's sad, because I'd really like a long-form social blogging platform, maybe more serious than tumblr; basically a professional equivalent of LiveJournal, with group based access control.
- ethank 15y ago
  What kills Google+'s utility and might kill Facebook's stream is the lack of a way to keep track of my high-water mark of what I read through the stream, and always feeling the perception that the software is keeping things from me. Whereas with Twitter, if I don't want to read something, I unfollow, but its fairly easy for me to track what I've read and know I'm reading all that I possibly can and want to. Facebook adding subscriptions is interesting, now lets get a good desktop client and high-water-mark syncing between web, phone and desktop.
- tick80 15y ago
  Basically, it's like Twitter in the early days. Full of early adopters, some waiting for it to snowball, others making full use of it before the masses come in and potentially spoil it.

by dreamux 15y ago

bhartzer 15y ago

You're right, now is probably not the optimal time for FB to do their IPO right now.

dredmorbius 15y ago
So, you're saying later might be a better time for FB to do their IPO right now?

andrewljohnson 15y ago

I think Google+ already played out, the same way Buzz did. It's now just an echo chamber filled with Google employees and my computer programmer friends. It was nice for about two days.

dhruval 15y ago
Google search trend data seems to agree with you... http://www.google.com/trends?q=google+buzz%2C+google+plus&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 http://www.google.com/trends?q=google+buzz%2C+google+plus&#3... But might just be the initial excitement dying down.
- Steko 15y ago
  Comparison with linkedin, flickr, reddit (us only): http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=google%20plus%2Cflickr%2Clinkedin%2Creddit&geo=US&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=google%20plus%2Cfli... Will be interesting to see if that is a real plateau or as you say just the fading of initial interest boom. Next six months should be telling. It will also be interesting to see if they tie G+ into Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean somehow to help it snowball.
  - zizee 15y ago
    I love the way LinkedIn searches drop off at the end of each week. Makes sense since LinkedIn is for professional networking and people like to shutdown for the weekend.
rorrr 15y ago
Yeah, Google keeps making the same mistake by doing the closed invitation-only beta thing. My google plus is basically programmers and google employees posting shit from reddit and HN.
- silverbax88 15y ago
  The first time they killed it (Buzz) by blowing privacy and automatically linking everyone in your email address book. This time they blew privacy by demanding everyone use their "Real Names". I'm not exactly sure why Google is so intent on getting this wrong, but wow, they sure are.
  - redorb 15y ago
    I agree with you on buzz's "Over sharing our address book" I don't agree with the "Real Names" claim; their are reasons to want people to use their own name. The only success google ever had with Invite only type thing was Gmail - I remember being so excited to get my invite and haven't moved since... That may have worked because those were different time on the internet and perhaps the other alternatives sucked so hard (hotmail, Yahoo!) I really don't understand the slow roll out at Google's scale - they should have released later but full-out and dedicated the resources in a "build it and they will come style" ~ even if they wasted the time because it failed it wouldn't be any worse than it is now... cause you didn't build it before hand they didn't come. - Why would people leave facebook to feel snubbed by 'having to wait for a Google+ invite'? - it wasn't 3x-10x better than the alternatives like Gmail was.
    - silverbax88 15y ago
      I don't know if I could agree with that, at least in this case. I'm sure invite-only isn't a good policy unless you are really beta testing, millions of users jumped on the bandwagon despite their being invites only, and then millions of users started abandoning the platform almost as fast. A decline in use is not the same as nobody jumping on. The numbers show that the rapid descent started almost immediately from the point that Google starting enforcing the Real Names policy.
rdl 15y ago
Google+ fell prey to Orkut-failure-mode for me (endless numbers of random people adding me). It's sad, because I'd really like a long-form social blogging platform, maybe more serious than tumblr; basically a professional equivalent of LiveJournal, with group based access control.
ethank 15y ago
What kills Google+'s utility and might kill Facebook's stream is the lack of a way to keep track of my high-water mark of what I read through the stream, and always feeling the perception that the software is keeping things from me. Whereas with Twitter, if I don't want to read something, I unfollow, but its fairly easy for me to track what I've read and know I'm reading all that I possibly can and want to. Facebook adding subscriptions is interesting, now lets get a good desktop client and high-water-mark syncing between web, phone and desktop.
tick80 15y ago
Basically, it's like Twitter in the early days. Full of early adopters, some waiting for it to snowball, others making full use of it before the masses come in and potentially spoil it.