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While I respect your opinion I urge you to watch any early Jackie Chan movie to see how magnificent cinematic fighting can be. The Marvel fights are amateur hou

While I respect your opinion I urge you to watch any early Jackie Chan movie to see how magnificent cinematic fighting can be. The Marvel fights are amateur hour! Please exit my lawn, stage right.

egypturnash 5y ago
hell yeah, you will see sequences that boil down to "Jackie found this weird prop and spent two days figuring out interesting ways to use it to beat the shit out of people" and they will be amazing.
Fricken 5y ago
This episode of "Every Frame a Painting" does an excellent job of explaining why Jackie Chan's way of doing action is awesome and why contemporary Hollywood (generally) sucks: https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ
oneoff786 5y ago
Jackie is a genius, no doubt. There’s a big difference in movies though. Jackie is basically always a human fighting humans. He is always either fighting an extremely competent opponent and it will be fairly serious martial arts; or it will be him comedically fighting a ton of goons which you know are way weaker than him but he’s got some sort of hilarious disadvantage. But it’s always somewhat grounded. Superhero movies tend to have weird matchups where the balance is already heavily skewed. Shitty movies do this dance where the bad guy is slightly stronger and does irrelevant damage to the protagonist before being one shotted by a dumb trick, which is probably a call back to something earlier in the film. Better films actually have this implication that in a fight, if an opponent does their thing, you’re going to die. Marvel is starting to do more of the latter. It’s just much more rewarding when protagonists win by virtue of competence and their own abilities. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFwvr6l2mM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFwvr6l2mM This fight contains no particularly good martial arts, has a lot of cuts, and has a lot of big blasty attacks but they’re all very juicy and you do believe the threat is real. It’s especially good because everything both characters are doing are somewhat novel to them. It’s on the fly improv and physical character development. Very different from Jackie’s stuff but I think very good.

While I respect your opinion I urge you to watch any early Jackie Chan movie to see how magnificent cinematic fighting can be. The Marvel fights are amateur hour! Please exit my lawn, stage right.

egypturnash 5y ago

hell yeah, you will see sequences that boil down to "Jackie found this weird prop and spent two days figuring out interesting ways to use it to beat the shit out of people" and they will be amazing.

Fricken 5y ago

This episode of "Every Frame a Painting" does an excellent job of explaining why Jackie Chan's way of doing action is awesome and why contemporary Hollywood (generally) sucks: https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ

oneoff786 5y ago

Jackie is a genius, no doubt. There’s a big difference in movies though. Jackie is basically always a human fighting humans. He is always either fighting an extremely competent opponent and it will be fairly serious martial arts; or it will be him comedically fighting a ton of goons which you know are way weaker than him but he’s got some sort of hilarious disadvantage. But it’s always somewhat grounded. Superhero movies tend to have weird matchups where the balance is already heavily skewed. Shitty movies do this dance where the bad guy is slightly stronger and does irrelevant damage to the protagonist before being one shotted by a dumb trick, which is probably a call back to something earlier in the film. Better films actually have this implication that in a fight, if an opponent does their thing, you’re going to die. Marvel is starting to do more of the latter. It’s just much more rewarding when protagonists win by virtue of competence and their own abilities. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFwvr6l2mM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFwvr6l2mM This fight contains no particularly good martial arts, has a lot of cuts, and has a lot of big blasty attacks but they’re all very juicy and you do believe the threat is real. It’s especially good because everything both characters are doing are somewhat novel to them. It’s on the fly improv and physical character development. Very different from Jackie’s stuff but I think very good.