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Netflix is already on the way down. They infused all of their new shows with wokeness. Every new show feels like woke concepts are shoehorned in without regard

Netflix is already on the way down. They infused all of their new shows with wokeness. Every new show feels like woke concepts are shoehorned in without regard for their impact on the story that's told. Look at the Witcher for an example. Or if you want to see this kind of shift happening over the course of a show, look at Madam Secretary. Season 1 didn't feature any of this crap and showed a strong woman main character that wasn't shoehorned in, by the last season everything was about "hurr durr let's ban guns and white men suck". I'm not even white and I can notice the excellent storylines being ruined. It's like the writers don't know how to write a story with woke concepts that's actually strong so instead they shove it into every successful show until the show isn't successful anymore. HBO and Disney are going to eat their lunch at this rate with more compelling content.

RussianCow 5y ago
I don't totally agree that this is a problem, but to be fair, every network is doing this. Even previously silly and light-hearted TV shows like Brooklyn Nine-Nine have become noticeably heavier as they try to shed light on real-world social issues. There's nothing specific to Netflix here.
- jrsj 5y ago
  If it were done well it would be one thing but it’s typically just thinly veiled (DNC) propaganda. Not much to be said on always climbing record fentanyl overdoses, class issues, etc though. If they were actually talking about anything of value to the vast majority of working people instead of rhetoric that’s specifically designed to keep them divided and afraid of each other I wouldn’t complain.
  - KerrAvon 5y ago
    You want a comedy show to cover fentanyl overdoses? By DNC, do you mean the Democratic National Committee? Have you considered that your worldview may be heavily biased by right-wing propaganda?
    - jrsj 5y ago
      I didn’t say comedy specifically, no. But comedy should probably actually be funny and not feel like I’m being lectured to, which has become increasingly common. And at times comedy can cover even the darkest topics, that’s really up to the comedian to decide. And I actually consider myself a leftist I just strongly dislike corporate Democrats. So if I sound like right wing propaganda that comes mainly for our mutual distaste for certain aspects of “progressives” in the U.S. or whatever you’d like to call them.
      - jrsj 5y ago
        In fact now that I think about it the only jokes I’ve heard about the opioid crisis have basically amounted to “lol white people are dying and they deserve it” despite the fact that this shit is killing everyone. So-called journalists have written about it with the same sentiment — white people didn’t have compassion during the crack epidemic and they don’t deserve any now. That’s a pretty good example of popular media using racial antagonism to divide & conquer the working class.
    - wayoutthere 5y ago
      Some of the most vocal critics of the DNC are coming from the left. [1] They’re a center-right party masquerading as left-wing opposition. They have no interest in helping working folks and every interest in making sure corporations are as powerful as they can be. A lot of folks who previously drank the DNC koolaid are realizing how bad it is with how the democratic administration has tried to gaslight us about Covid this holiday season. [1] https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/build-back-better-demise-democrats-20211230.html https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/build-back-bette...
      - jrsj 5y ago
        This exactly. They use progressive language to create this image for themselves and their role is only to serve as controlled opposition and prevent any challenge to the current economic order from occurring. Being a Democrat these days is like being in a “union” that your bosses set up just to try and convince you that you had representation when they were deciding what you were going to “win” from “organizing” ahead of time. This is why I dislike propaganda aimed at supporting them in television etc. No matter how nice the individual thing sounds, it serves to reinforce this institution who’s only mission in life is to fuck you over and continue extracting wealth from you and your family.
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nr2x 5y ago
Yes, the walkout of trans employees was definitely because the CEO is too woke.
jrsj 5y ago
How is the Witcher woke? I actually haven’t really heard this before so I’m genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on it.
- b9a2cab5 5y ago
  Many of the characters have been changed (in personality/storyline and in ethnicity) from the books and from the games. For example Yennefer is no longer a mature, smart person but now is a stereotypical "I'm a strong independent woman" character that has the personality of a 15 year old. Triss is completely different from the books and game. Fringilla magically changed to be black even though EVERY other Nilfgaardian is white. Side characters were changed to be black but still act as if they come from the same background as their original book characters. This doesn't make sense in a medieval Eastern Europe type environment. This is what I mean by shoehorned in. HBO Rome did a great job of integrating racial diversity in a plausible way that made sense in the context of the story. Egypt/North Africa historically had Numidians in major leadership roles. The Witcher does not bother to write a story that makes sense with the replaced characters. Again, I'm not white and even I can notice these changes.
  - ketralnis 5y ago
    > characters have been changed ... Yennefer is no longer a mature, smart person but now is a stereotypical "I'm a strong independent woman" character that has the personality of a 15 year old. Triss is completely different from the books and game That doesn't sound like wokeness, it sounds like a character change that you just don't like. Fair enough, but it's not wokeness. > Fringilla magically changed to be black even though EVERY other Nilfgaardian is white. Side characters were changed to be black I just finished watching this series. Some actors have dark skin but it's not part of their character or even mentioned. There's no reference to any sort of Black culture or even nation in-universe where people tend darker. There's no sense in which they are black except for the literal colour of their skin. And at that level, there's no sense in which the characters in the books aren't black. There's no "changed to be black" here. I assumed you had some objection about the actual storyline which does in fact revolve around discrimination against Witchers, racism and genocide and slavery against Elves, culture wars between nations, and cultures domineering others through centuries of abuse and slavery. But really you're just annoyed that some actors are black?
ksec 5y ago
Well nearly all of Silicon Valley are woke. May be Facebook being the exception.

RussianCow 5y ago

I don't totally agree that this is a problem, but to be fair, every network is doing this. Even previously silly and light-hearted TV shows like Brooklyn Nine-Nine have become noticeably heavier as they try to shed light on real-world social issues. There's nothing specific to Netflix here.

jrsj 5y ago
If it were done well it would be one thing but it’s typically just thinly veiled (DNC) propaganda. Not much to be said on always climbing record fentanyl overdoses, class issues, etc though. If they were actually talking about anything of value to the vast majority of working people instead of rhetoric that’s specifically designed to keep them divided and afraid of each other I wouldn’t complain.
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  You want a comedy show to cover fentanyl overdoses? By DNC, do you mean the Democratic National Committee? Have you considered that your worldview may be heavily biased by right-wing propaganda?
  - jrsj 5y ago
    I didn’t say comedy specifically, no. But comedy should probably actually be funny and not feel like I’m being lectured to, which has become increasingly common. And at times comedy can cover even the darkest topics, that’s really up to the comedian to decide. And I actually consider myself a leftist I just strongly dislike corporate Democrats. So if I sound like right wing propaganda that comes mainly for our mutual distaste for certain aspects of “progressives” in the U.S. or whatever you’d like to call them.
    - jrsj 5y ago
      In fact now that I think about it the only jokes I’ve heard about the opioid crisis have basically amounted to “lol white people are dying and they deserve it” despite the fact that this shit is killing everyone. So-called journalists have written about it with the same sentiment — white people didn’t have compassion during the crack epidemic and they don’t deserve any now. That’s a pretty good example of popular media using racial antagonism to divide & conquer the working class.
  - wayoutthere 5y ago
    Some of the most vocal critics of the DNC are coming from the left. [1] They’re a center-right party masquerading as left-wing opposition. They have no interest in helping working folks and every interest in making sure corporations are as powerful as they can be. A lot of folks who previously drank the DNC koolaid are realizing how bad it is with how the democratic administration has tried to gaslight us about Covid this holiday season. [1] https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/build-back-better-demise-democrats-20211230.html https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/build-back-bette...
    - jrsj 5y ago
      This exactly. They use progressive language to create this image for themselves and their role is only to serve as controlled opposition and prevent any challenge to the current economic order from occurring. Being a Democrat these days is like being in a “union” that your bosses set up just to try and convince you that you had representation when they were deciding what you were going to “win” from “organizing” ahead of time. This is why I dislike propaganda aimed at supporting them in television etc. No matter how nice the individual thing sounds, it serves to reinforce this institution who’s only mission in life is to fuck you over and continue extracting wealth from you and your family.

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nr2x 5y ago

Yes, the walkout of trans employees was definitely because the CEO is too woke.

jrsj 5y ago

How is the Witcher woke? I actually haven’t really heard this before so I’m genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on it.

b9a2cab5 5y ago
Many of the characters have been changed (in personality/storyline and in ethnicity) from the books and from the games. For example Yennefer is no longer a mature, smart person but now is a stereotypical "I'm a strong independent woman" character that has the personality of a 15 year old. Triss is completely different from the books and game. Fringilla magically changed to be black even though EVERY other Nilfgaardian is white. Side characters were changed to be black but still act as if they come from the same background as their original book characters. This doesn't make sense in a medieval Eastern Europe type environment. This is what I mean by shoehorned in. HBO Rome did a great job of integrating racial diversity in a plausible way that made sense in the context of the story. Egypt/North Africa historically had Numidians in major leadership roles. The Witcher does not bother to write a story that makes sense with the replaced characters. Again, I'm not white and even I can notice these changes.
- ketralnis 5y ago
  > characters have been changed ... Yennefer is no longer a mature, smart person but now is a stereotypical "I'm a strong independent woman" character that has the personality of a 15 year old. Triss is completely different from the books and game That doesn't sound like wokeness, it sounds like a character change that you just don't like. Fair enough, but it's not wokeness. > Fringilla magically changed to be black even though EVERY other Nilfgaardian is white. Side characters were changed to be black I just finished watching this series. Some actors have dark skin but it's not part of their character or even mentioned. There's no reference to any sort of Black culture or even nation in-universe where people tend darker. There's no sense in which they are black except for the literal colour of their skin. And at that level, there's no sense in which the characters in the books aren't black. There's no "changed to be black" here. I assumed you had some objection about the actual storyline which does in fact revolve around discrimination against Witchers, racism and genocide and slavery against Elves, culture wars between nations, and cultures domineering others through centuries of abuse and slavery. But really you're just annoyed that some actors are black?

ksec 5y ago

Well nearly all of Silicon Valley are woke. May be Facebook being the exception.