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The web is fairly decentralized though. Google could go down and the web would still operate. Amazon could go down, and the web would still operate. Yes there'

The web is fairly decentralized though. Google could go down and the web would still operate. Amazon could go down, and the web would still operate. Yes there's a few centralized components still such-as DNS, but even that is heavily cached and distributed in nature. Blockchain could aid in replacing BGP & DNS allowing for a better web. But web3 is just as centralized as our current web, if not more centralized. For example, abracadabra money get's current crypto prices from a "price oracle" which is a consortium of 16 parties who state what they feel the price should be. I wouldn't call that "Decentralized"

selfhoster11 5y ago
If AWS went down, some critical infrastructure would definitely be out of commission.
iratewizard 5y ago
Aws and cloudflare outages have taken down a significant portion of the web. No, the web isn't 100% centralized, but what percent is centralized to a small handful of players?
- manigandham 5y ago
  architecture != infrastructure != supplier
- endisneigh 5y ago
  That doesn't mean the web isn't decentralized, that means people have gravitated towards a single vendor for reasons I won't get into.
  - throwawaycities 5y ago
    But whatever vendor you choose is a centralized vendor. Unless your using an IP address for you website, your domain name is registered through a centralized registrar. The DNS architecture/protocol itself is centralized as it is controlled by ICANN.
    - y4mi 5y ago
      You have either no clue how DNS works or are entirely out of your depth wrt the definition of de-/centralization..
      - throwawaycities 5y ago
        ICANN has an entire dispute resolution set up for businesses to use to take away domain names from users. Local laws do not apply, there is no independent or impartial court, it is entirely centralized decision making by ICANN if they will take away your domain name and give it to someone else. It is exactly the same as when Twitter recently took away @metaverse handle from a active user and gave it to Facebook. At least in the case of Twitter when faced With user backlash and public support they reversed their decision and took @metaverse back from Facebook and returned it to the user. In practice ICANN is even more centralized than Twitter, because ICANN isn’t accountable to its users. It’s clear you don’t know how ICANN words, and are entirely out of your depth wrt the definition of de/centralized. You likely also have a conflict of interest.
        y4mi 5y ago
        You really have no idea how DNS works then. ICANN can do that for .com domains, because that's their TLD. They cannot do it for the TLDs they've already sold/aren't responsible for. You can even purchase your own TLD from ICANN if you've got the money and create whatever domain names you want. Maybe stop talking about stuff you've no clue about, otherwise you'll forever be a dunning kruger person
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      There's nothing stopping you from hosting a functional website from an IP address.
      - throwawaycities 5y ago
        And there is nothing stopping businesses from running their websites from IP addresses, and yet ICANN developed rules that allow them to take away domain names and give them to businesses. It is not at all unlike Twitter taking away the handle @metaverse from a user and giving it to Facebook, it was only the result of user backlash/public support Twitter reversed its decision.
  - _jal 5y ago
    The third stage of internet arguments: arguing definitions
_zzaw 5y ago
If I’m understanding the key feature of blockchain-based stuff, it’s that it’s not just decentralized but distributed, right? Content is replicated across a whole lot of computers, rather than just sitting on one, and any modifications made along the way are a matter of public record, and recorded in a way that’s hard to tamper with. Like a number of other people here, I primarily associate blockchain/crypto stuff with tech-bro huckster types, but the underlying tech does seem to have some interesting properties. Anybody remember Publius? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_(publishing_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_(publishing_system)
- fny 5y ago
  This is NOT because of blockchain. This is because of IPFS. These are two technologies that are being conflated because in theory crypto can be used to pay for IPFS.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - meowface 5y ago
    They are conflated, but the correlation isn't just that one can be used to pay for the other. IPFS is increasingly becoming the "content layer" for blockchains, since it's not efficient to store content (like images) in (most) blockchains. Having a kind of literally global GUID that can point to arbitrary decentralized content is fantastic. While the credit for it absolutely goes to IPFS rather than to cryptocurrencies, it does happen to be perfectly suited for any kind of application you may try to build on a cryptocurrency blockchain.

selfhoster11 5y ago

If AWS went down, some critical infrastructure would definitely be out of commission.

iratewizard 5y ago

Aws and cloudflare outages have taken down a significant portion of the web. No, the web isn't 100% centralized, but what percent is centralized to a small handful of players?

manigandham 5y ago
architecture != infrastructure != supplier
endisneigh 5y ago
That doesn't mean the web isn't decentralized, that means people have gravitated towards a single vendor for reasons I won't get into.
- throwawaycities 5y ago
  But whatever vendor you choose is a centralized vendor. Unless your using an IP address for you website, your domain name is registered through a centralized registrar. The DNS architecture/protocol itself is centralized as it is controlled by ICANN.
  - y4mi 5y ago
    You have either no clue how DNS works or are entirely out of your depth wrt the definition of de-/centralization..
    - throwawaycities 5y ago
      ICANN has an entire dispute resolution set up for businesses to use to take away domain names from users. Local laws do not apply, there is no independent or impartial court, it is entirely centralized decision making by ICANN if they will take away your domain name and give it to someone else. It is exactly the same as when Twitter recently took away @metaverse handle from a active user and gave it to Facebook. At least in the case of Twitter when faced With user backlash and public support they reversed their decision and took @metaverse back from Facebook and returned it to the user. In practice ICANN is even more centralized than Twitter, because ICANN isn’t accountable to its users. It’s clear you don’t know how ICANN words, and are entirely out of your depth wrt the definition of de/centralized. You likely also have a conflict of interest.
      - y4mi 5y ago
        You really have no idea how DNS works then. ICANN can do that for .com domains, because that's their TLD. They cannot do it for the TLDs they've already sold/aren't responsible for. You can even purchase your own TLD from ICANN if you've got the money and create whatever domain names you want. Maybe stop talking about stuff you've no clue about, otherwise you'll forever be a dunning kruger person
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    There's nothing stopping you from hosting a functional website from an IP address.
    - throwawaycities 5y ago
      And there is nothing stopping businesses from running their websites from IP addresses, and yet ICANN developed rules that allow them to take away domain names and give them to businesses. It is not at all unlike Twitter taking away the handle @metaverse from a user and giving it to Facebook, it was only the result of user backlash/public support Twitter reversed its decision.
- _jal 5y ago
  The third stage of internet arguments: arguing definitions

_zzaw 5y ago

If I’m understanding the key feature of blockchain-based stuff, it’s that it’s not just decentralized but distributed, right? Content is replicated across a whole lot of computers, rather than just sitting on one, and any modifications made along the way are a matter of public record, and recorded in a way that’s hard to tamper with. Like a number of other people here, I primarily associate blockchain/crypto stuff with tech-bro huckster types, but the underlying tech does seem to have some interesting properties. Anybody remember Publius? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_(publishing_system) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_(publishing_system)

fny 5y ago
This is NOT because of blockchain. This is because of IPFS. These are two technologies that are being conflated because in theory crypto can be used to pay for IPFS.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- meowface 5y ago
  They are conflated, but the correlation isn't just that one can be used to pay for the other. IPFS is increasingly becoming the "content layer" for blockchains, since it's not efficient to store content (like images) in (most) blockchains. Having a kind of literally global GUID that can point to arbitrary decentralized content is fantastic. While the credit for it absolutely goes to IPFS rather than to cryptocurrencies, it does happen to be perfectly suited for any kind of application you may try to build on a cryptocurrency blockchain.