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If I put something not encrypted on internet I expect it to be scanned/leaked etc. I don't want my device (with my battery...) to spy on me. Signed ~(Mostly)Ha

If I put something not encrypted on internet I expect it to be scanned/leaked etc. I don't want my device (with my battery...) to spy on me. Signed ~(Mostly)Happy google-less LineageOS user

quitit 5y ago
Generating a encrypted voucher based on a known CSAM image is not spying anymore than the device cataloguing images by descriptions. For a technical forum the lack of willingness of individuals to read into the system is perplexing. So far most of the arguments I've read are entirely based on creating a strawman then beating that to death.
- BostonEnginerd 5y ago
  Is there anything which prevents non-CSAM images from being added into this catalogue? As I understand it, the only thing stopping that is a promise from Apple - which can be steamrolled by a government request.
- ziddoap 5y ago
  >For a technical forum the lack of willingness of individuals to read into the system is perplexing. Admittedly, I may have missed it... But can you point out to me where this system cannot be expanded to non-CSAM material? As a totally wild example, is this technology restricted, in some technical manner, from scanning for images which display a certain political leader as Winnie the Pooh?
- MrQuincle 5y ago
  What can happen: + Approximate matching. They might want to have images almost similar also to be flagged. + Scope creep. Particular images of people who are wanted or areas where they might live or shots of joints etc. + Mistakes. Accidentally flagging honest citizens and the bureaucracy that will follow. "Innocent until proven guilty..." That's not preemptively scanning someone's personal devices.
runjake 5y ago
Right, but the Apple paper I read [1] said that if you did not have iCloud Photos (iow, "put it on the Internet") turned on, CSAM scanning would not occur. So, how is it different, again? 1. I can't link the paper, because apparently, Apple took it offline. But it was widely-reported on.

If I put something not encrypted on internet I expect it to be scanned/leaked etc. I don't want my device (with my battery...) to spy on me. Signed ~(Mostly)Happy google-less LineageOS user

quitit 5y ago

Generating a encrypted voucher based on a known CSAM image is not spying anymore than the device cataloguing images by descriptions. For a technical forum the lack of willingness of individuals to read into the system is perplexing. So far most of the arguments I've read are entirely based on creating a strawman then beating that to death.

BostonEnginerd 5y ago
Is there anything which prevents non-CSAM images from being added into this catalogue? As I understand it, the only thing stopping that is a promise from Apple - which can be steamrolled by a government request.
ziddoap 5y ago
>For a technical forum the lack of willingness of individuals to read into the system is perplexing. Admittedly, I may have missed it... But can you point out to me where this system cannot be expanded to non-CSAM material? As a totally wild example, is this technology restricted, in some technical manner, from scanning for images which display a certain political leader as Winnie the Pooh?
MrQuincle 5y ago
What can happen: + Approximate matching. They might want to have images almost similar also to be flagged. + Scope creep. Particular images of people who are wanted or areas where they might live or shots of joints etc. + Mistakes. Accidentally flagging honest citizens and the bureaucracy that will follow. "Innocent until proven guilty..." That's not preemptively scanning someone's personal devices.

runjake 5y ago

Right, but the Apple paper I read [1] said that if you did not have iCloud Photos (iow, "put it on the Internet") turned on, CSAM scanning would not occur. So, how is it different, again? 1. I can't link the paper, because apparently, Apple took it offline. But it was widely-reported on.