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That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likel
by zohch 5y ago
That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it.
China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.
- cnlevy 5y agocancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme
- threatofrain 5y agoCancelling finds its roots in the freedom of association.
- quocanh 5y agoChina is famously very accepting of all ideas and would never ban or ostracize members of its own society for perspectives that disagree with the majority's belief. Yep. Definitely a western thing.
- BrazzVuvuzela 5y agoCancel culture isn't that either. Cancel culture is a rebranding of 'shunning', which I bet predates humans as we know them. I bet our social monkey predecessors had such tactics figured out. Read this and tell me it isn't 'cancel culture': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Overview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Overview Bonus: 'shadow-banning' is stealth shunning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Stealth_shunning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Stealth_shunning
- azangru 5y agoIt's probably a combination of the two. Letting the monkey instincts run wild while covering them with modern fanciful words :-)
- hnfong 5y agoHow about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication
- BrazzVuvuzela 5y agoAnother word for basically the same thing, yes. Excommunication is top-down directed shunning.
- pmontra 5y agoAncient Athens had ostracism [1]. It was against a single person and not against ideas but given that the numbers where smaller and heads carry ideas, it was more or less the same thing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism
- marderfarker2 5y agoI’ve always thought it to be the reverse, since the west has the whole world at their disposal (in terms of audience and technology penetration)
- iszomer 5y agoEver bought something you believed was Made in Japan but found out later it was actually Made in China?
- marderfarker2 5y agoI don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.
- pmontra 5y agoIf you always buy from A instead of from B, whoever they are, you start enjoying a familiarity with A that you don't have with B. Then, not about minds but about money, you are helping A with your money instead of helping B and A eventually becomes more powerful than B.
- iszomer 5y agoNot willing to see it from a socialist angle. r/BuyItForLife
- iszomer 5y agoIt can when materialistic quality is a factor in purchasing decisions. For example, I recently had to buy a new rice cooker and based on my prior experiences of owning both Japanese and Chinese brands; the former outlasted the latter by thirty years. Just because it was cheap and easily sourceable doesn't discount expected quality assurances. I'm not saying this applies to all Chinese made products but something I keep in mind for all future purchases.
- _red 5y ago>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.
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- scoopertrooper 5y agoEnjoy the ICU.
- dang 5y agoBreaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Edit: fortunately you don't seem to be in the habit of it (that's good).
- zivkovicp 5y agoHow so? Even if the intent of such programs might be positive, is there not a risk of them being used to limit, coerce, or change user behaviour? (it wouldn't be the first time) Why is this such an offensive statement?
- pc86 5y agoSocial credit is offensive and freedom-limiting by definition. You can't make any small-d-democratic argument in favor of a massive central social credit system because the two are antithetical. A vaccine passport system could turn into something similar, but that's not necessarily a given. It's the slippery slope fallacy taken to the extreme - "because it's possible to imagine a situation in which a vaccine passport system goes way beyond its usefulness and becomes oppressive, that means vaccine passport systems are oppressive." In addition to that sentiment being wrong, HN also has a pretty violent knee-jerk reaction to anything that could even potentially be taken as anti-vax sentiment. As can be seen by this garbage[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29659905#29661353 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29659905#29661353
- dang 5y agoPlease don't use HN for generic nationalistic and ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I had to ask you about this just recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29555995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29555995). Continuing to abuse HN like this will end up getting you banned here, so please don't.