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I don't know about "respectful" for both parties. Bottle collectors trying to take/steal not yet empty bottles and cans has become more of a rule than an except

by runj__ 5y ago

I don't know about "respectful" for both parties. Bottle collectors trying to take/steal not yet empty bottles and cans has become more of a rule than an exception in parks in central Stockholm. I'm still very much in favour of container deposit but I'm growing really tired of forceful collecting.

lillecarl 5y ago
The people you're referring to are likely not the same kind of people who collect bottles in other countries. My friend has this jokish ticks screaming out "Min pant"(roughly translates into "my cans) when we're a bit drunk, referring to this exact problem. It's inappropriate to go into further detail than to say he's not making fun of any Swedes. It's one of the downsides of free movement within the EU when you're a country that's built on assuming most people will do right for themselves, the it breaks.
- _0ffh 5y ago
  >"Min pant"(roughly translates into "my cans) Sounds more like "my deposit" to me.
  - freeflight 5y ago
    Sounds like "Mein Pfand" to me.
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    Sure, I find it easier to translate English to Swedish than the other way around I guess. Though they are referring to your soon to be recycled cans and bottles when semi-agressively trying to steal them from you.
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      It would be "my pawn", translated more literally. Some people find this amusing.
- rndgermandude 5y ago
  I see such behavior here in Germany sometimes, too. Like everywhere else in life, there are nice bottle collectors, and there are assholes. One collector gave me a sticky, wet butt, because he snuck up behind us in a park, "stole" my half empty beer bottle I placed next to me, and then proceeded to empty it out right there. It was one of the very few times I had trouble controlling myself not to hit somebody... I managed to control myself in the end enough to avoid violence, but was still angry enough to call the cops on the guy. Cops told him to not show up in the park or surrounding parks for the rest of the day, and when they asked if I wanted to press charges (technically it was theft and damage of property), the collector waved a 20 Euro note for "cleaning costs", which I took instead. I felt that was punishment enough. Then again, there is plenty of bottle collectors who are rather polite, and humbly ask if you're done with the bottle and if they can have it. And a lot of people also gather together their empty bottles in a pile when they see a collector approaching.
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    I'm quite disappointed you didn't press charges to he honest, (s)he must've understood perfectly what (s)he was doing and the consequences, yet he still did it. And you're likely not the only person abused like that. Yes there are loads of nice appreciative collectors and they are doing us a service, it's just sad when the predators come and ruin it.
    - rndgermandude 5y ago
      My hope was that involving the cops was scary enough (they took down the details of that person, and issued a formal order to vacate), and that the immediate monetary "punishment" in form of those 20 bucks (which is a lot of bottles) helped too. I felt it was a reasonable severe response to what happened. Causing that guy a lot of legal trouble, aside from clogging up the legal system with not even 20 bucks worth of damages, seemed unreasonable. Those cops are also regularly working that area (they in fact were already in the park when I called, and I had seen them before doing their rounds), and if that bottle collector violated their order to vacate, it would have had actual consequences. And if he pulls the same shit again, the cops will have a "you again moment", and probably mention that to the next person who makes a complaint and at the very least issue a much longer order to vacate. And since they didn't mention anything to me, I am assuming it was the first time the cops were called on that guy, and we Germans have a tendency to call the cops quite often ;) It also saved me from a lot of hassle myself, of course, not having to go to the police to give a signed statement, maybe show up in court, etc.
strajk 5y ago
How much is a deposit compared to the full price of a drink? Here in Czechia it's 3czk deposit for ~20czk full drink price and I've never noticed anybody even asking for the bottles, yet alone "stealing" them.
- msh 5y ago
  In DK it goes up to 3 DKR for a 1,5 liters bottle of soda that you might pay 15-25 dkr for.
  - freeflight 5y ago
    All these deposits are so low. Germany has 25 cent on non-beer plastic bottles. Which means when buying a 1,5 liters bottle of water, the bottle is worth more (25 cent) than the water in it (19 cent). Bottle collectors are quite common, haven't met any rude ones myself, but they are even speed-collecting trough the trash cans of trains stopped making stops at the station.
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      The prices are in Danish crowns, and aren't that far away from the German ones, although some consideration should be made for the higher cost of living here. Glass bottles, normal cans: 1kr = 13¢ Small plastic bottles: 1.5kr = 20¢ Large plastic bottles (≥ 1L): 3kr = 40¢ https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-and-amounts/ https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-...

by runj__ 5y ago

lillecarl 5y ago

The people you're referring to are likely not the same kind of people who collect bottles in other countries. My friend has this jokish ticks screaming out "Min pant"(roughly translates into "my cans) when we're a bit drunk, referring to this exact problem. It's inappropriate to go into further detail than to say he's not making fun of any Swedes. It's one of the downsides of free movement within the EU when you're a country that's built on assuming most people will do right for themselves, the it breaks.

_0ffh 5y ago
>"Min pant"(roughly translates into "my cans) Sounds more like "my deposit" to me.
- freeflight 5y ago
  Sounds like "Mein Pfand" to me.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  Sure, I find it easier to translate English to Swedish than the other way around I guess. Though they are referring to your soon to be recycled cans and bottles when semi-agressively trying to steal them from you.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    It would be "my pawn", translated more literally. Some people find this amusing.
rndgermandude 5y ago
I see such behavior here in Germany sometimes, too. Like everywhere else in life, there are nice bottle collectors, and there are assholes. One collector gave me a sticky, wet butt, because he snuck up behind us in a park, "stole" my half empty beer bottle I placed next to me, and then proceeded to empty it out right there. It was one of the very few times I had trouble controlling myself not to hit somebody... I managed to control myself in the end enough to avoid violence, but was still angry enough to call the cops on the guy. Cops told him to not show up in the park or surrounding parks for the rest of the day, and when they asked if I wanted to press charges (technically it was theft and damage of property), the collector waved a 20 Euro note for "cleaning costs", which I took instead. I felt that was punishment enough. Then again, there is plenty of bottle collectors who are rather polite, and humbly ask if you're done with the bottle and if they can have it. And a lot of people also gather together their empty bottles in a pile when they see a collector approaching.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  I'm quite disappointed you didn't press charges to he honest, (s)he must've understood perfectly what (s)he was doing and the consequences, yet he still did it. And you're likely not the only person abused like that. Yes there are loads of nice appreciative collectors and they are doing us a service, it's just sad when the predators come and ruin it.
  - rndgermandude 5y ago
    My hope was that involving the cops was scary enough (they took down the details of that person, and issued a formal order to vacate), and that the immediate monetary "punishment" in form of those 20 bucks (which is a lot of bottles) helped too. I felt it was a reasonable severe response to what happened. Causing that guy a lot of legal trouble, aside from clogging up the legal system with not even 20 bucks worth of damages, seemed unreasonable. Those cops are also regularly working that area (they in fact were already in the park when I called, and I had seen them before doing their rounds), and if that bottle collector violated their order to vacate, it would have had actual consequences. And if he pulls the same shit again, the cops will have a "you again moment", and probably mention that to the next person who makes a complaint and at the very least issue a much longer order to vacate. And since they didn't mention anything to me, I am assuming it was the first time the cops were called on that guy, and we Germans have a tendency to call the cops quite often ;) It also saved me from a lot of hassle myself, of course, not having to go to the police to give a signed statement, maybe show up in court, etc.

strajk 5y ago

How much is a deposit compared to the full price of a drink? Here in Czechia it's 3czk deposit for ~20czk full drink price and I've never noticed anybody even asking for the bottles, yet alone "stealing" them.

msh 5y ago
In DK it goes up to 3 DKR for a 1,5 liters bottle of soda that you might pay 15-25 dkr for.
- freeflight 5y ago
  All these deposits are so low. Germany has 25 cent on non-beer plastic bottles. Which means when buying a 1,5 liters bottle of water, the bottle is worth more (25 cent) than the water in it (19 cent). Bottle collectors are quite common, haven't met any rude ones myself, but they are even speed-collecting trough the trash cans of trains stopped making stops at the station.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    The prices are in Danish crowns, and aren't that far away from the German ones, although some consideration should be made for the higher cost of living here. Glass bottles, normal cans: 1kr = 13¢ Small plastic bottles: 1.5kr = 20¢ Large plastic bottles (≥ 1L): 3kr = 40¢ https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-and-amounts/ https://danskretursystem.dk/en/about-deposits/deposit-marks-...