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I think now, almost everybody knows someone with your problem. Really sorry to heard, I hope you will recover! No vaccine should damaged an healthy person, and

by hammon 5y ago

I think now, almost everybody knows someone with your problem. Really sorry to heard, I hope you will recover! No vaccine should damaged an healthy person, and nobody should be forced to a treatment (Norimberga anyone?). We need more studies and data like this. Why governments don't push for studies? I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months, before they added to the official adverse reaction list, finally.

matthewmacleod 5y ago
I think now, almost everybody knows someone with your problem. This seems unlikely, given the relative rarity of these events. No vaccine should damaged an healthy person Every vaccine ever created can have adverse effects on healthy people. Why governments don't push for studies You are literally commenting on a study. I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months Your memory is wrong.
- jcbrand 5y ago
  >> I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months > Your memory is wrong. There are "fact-checks" still online claiming that AZ doesn't cause blood clots. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/25/fact-check-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-not-definitively-linked/4721828001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/25/fact...
  - technothrasher 5y ago
    The early "fact-check" you linked to doesn't claim "that AZ doesn't cause blood clots". Its conclusion: "Whether there is an actual connection is still under investigation and will be closely monitored as vaccination with AstraZeneca's vaccine resumes."
  - matthewmacleod 5y ago
    You linked to an article that literally concludes with the sentence: "Whether there is an actual connection is still under investigation and will be closely monitored as vaccination with AstraZeneca's vaccine resumes." This is exactly what we should all expect to happen. I don't doubt for a second that there will be citable examples of doctors or media claiming that this particular vaccine did not—or was unlikely to—cause clots. But the statement "I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months" is clearly intended to misrepresent the actual situation.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  > Your memory is wrong. I don't think so, you can still find the traces of it everywhere. You can't deny the fact that the people in charge decided to misinform the public several times for specific reasons. It started with masks: people wanted to wear them and all the media was parroting that "there is no evidence that masks protect against COVID-19" (or was it called the "Wuhan virus" still back then?). While technically correct, it was against common sense and the aim was to limit the demand for masks used by healthcare institutions. Once they secured the masks, they turned 180 degrees and started to force everyone to wear the masks. What a great way to build credibility. Regarding vaccines, more openness would be great. What we were promised was efficiency at the level of >90%. What we see now, after mutations and with time after taking the vaccine, the efficiency levels are much lower and it looks like - at least in some countries - people will have to take the vaccine perpetually 2 or maybe even 3 times a year in order to be able to work. In this case, we better study the possible adverse reactions well and assess the overall lifetime risk, especially for younger persons.
detaro 5y ago
> I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months, before they added to the official adverse reaction list, finally. 29.1.2021: EU approval for the vaccine is granted ~10.3.2021: first countries pause usage, EMA officially starts investigating. 18.3.2021: risk of blood clots is added to list of known potential side effects so not even 2 months. EDIT: and to pre-empt hair-splitting which list counts: 7.4.2021: moved from "potential side effect" to "known side effect". ~ 2 months and a week.
Fomite 5y ago
"This project involves data derived from patient-level information collected by the National Health Service (NHS), as part of the care and support of cancer patients. The SARS-Cov-2 test data are collated, maintained and quality assured by Public Health England (PHE). " "BRC. M.S.-H. is supported by the National Institute for Health Research Clinician Scientist Award (NIHR-CS-2016-16-011). J.H.-C. and K.M.C. are supported by the NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre. N.L.M. and K.M.C. are supported by the British Heart Foundation (Chair Awards CH/F/21/90010, CH/16/1/32013), Programme Grant (RG/20/10/34966) and Research Excellence Awards (RE/18/5/34216, RE18/3/34214). A.S. is supported by the Health Data Research United Kingdom BREATHE Hub. This research is part of the Data and Connectivity National Core Study, led by Health Data Research United Kingdom in partnership with the office of National Statistics and funded by United Kingdom Research and Innovation (grant MC_PC_20029)" In what universe isn't this the government pushing for the study?
detaro 5y ago
> Why governments don't push for studies? Where do you get that idea? I mean, you literally are commenting on a study run by people involved in a government decision-making process.

by hammon 5y ago

matthewmacleod 5y ago

I think now, almost everybody knows someone with your problem. This seems unlikely, given the relative rarity of these events. No vaccine should damaged an healthy person Every vaccine ever created can have adverse effects on healthy people. Why governments don't push for studies You are literally commenting on a study. I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months Your memory is wrong.

jcbrand 5y ago
>> I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months > Your memory is wrong. There are "fact-checks" still online claiming that AZ doesn't cause blood clots. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/25/fact-check-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clots-not-definitively-linked/4721828001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/25/fact...
- technothrasher 5y ago
  The early "fact-check" you linked to doesn't claim "that AZ doesn't cause blood clots". Its conclusion: "Whether there is an actual connection is still under investigation and will be closely monitored as vaccination with AstraZeneca's vaccine resumes."
- matthewmacleod 5y ago
  You linked to an article that literally concludes with the sentence: "Whether there is an actual connection is still under investigation and will be closely monitored as vaccination with AstraZeneca's vaccine resumes." This is exactly what we should all expect to happen. I don't doubt for a second that there will be citable examples of doctors or media claiming that this particular vaccine did not—or was unlikely to—cause clots. But the statement "I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months" is clearly intended to misrepresent the actual situation.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> Your memory is wrong. I don't think so, you can still find the traces of it everywhere. You can't deny the fact that the people in charge decided to misinform the public several times for specific reasons. It started with masks: people wanted to wear them and all the media was parroting that "there is no evidence that masks protect against COVID-19" (or was it called the "Wuhan virus" still back then?). While technically correct, it was against common sense and the aim was to limit the demand for masks used by healthcare institutions. Once they secured the masks, they turned 180 degrees and started to force everyone to wear the masks. What a great way to build credibility. Regarding vaccines, more openness would be great. What we were promised was efficiency at the level of >90%. What we see now, after mutations and with time after taking the vaccine, the efficiency levels are much lower and it looks like - at least in some countries - people will have to take the vaccine perpetually 2 or maybe even 3 times a year in order to be able to work. In this case, we better study the possible adverse reactions well and assess the overall lifetime risk, especially for younger persons.

detaro 5y ago

> I remember doctors and media denying AstraZeneca Blood cloths for months, before they added to the official adverse reaction list, finally. 29.1.2021: EU approval for the vaccine is granted ~10.3.2021: first countries pause usage, EMA officially starts investigating. 18.3.2021: risk of blood clots is added to list of known potential side effects so not even 2 months. EDIT: and to pre-empt hair-splitting which list counts: 7.4.2021: moved from "potential side effect" to "known side effect". ~ 2 months and a week.

Fomite 5y ago

"This project involves data derived from patient-level information collected by the National Health Service (NHS), as part of the care and support of cancer patients. The SARS-Cov-2 test data are collated, maintained and quality assured by Public Health England (PHE). " "BRC. M.S.-H. is supported by the National Institute for Health Research Clinician Scientist Award (NIHR-CS-2016-16-011). J.H.-C. and K.M.C. are supported by the NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre. N.L.M. and K.M.C. are supported by the British Heart Foundation (Chair Awards CH/F/21/90010, CH/16/1/32013), Programme Grant (RG/20/10/34966) and Research Excellence Awards (RE/18/5/34216, RE18/3/34214). A.S. is supported by the Health Data Research United Kingdom BREATHE Hub. This research is part of the Data and Connectivity National Core Study, led by Health Data Research United Kingdom in partnership with the office of National Statistics and funded by United Kingdom Research and Innovation (grant MC_PC_20029)" In what universe isn't this the government pushing for the study?

detaro 5y ago

> Why governments don't push for studies? Where do you get that idea? I mean, you literally are commenting on a study run by people involved in a government decision-making process.