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> Why do 30% of people refuse to get vaccinated? (here in Aotearoa it is 5%). Something is happening, people are getting left behind, in vast numbers. It's an
by Pyramus 5y ago
> Why do 30% of people refuse to get vaccinated? (here in Aotearoa it is 5%). Something is happening, people are getting left behind, in vast numbers.
It's an interesting question and there is lots of debate in Germany at the moment as to why. Some factors are:
* Germany did very well during the pandemic so people didn't experience a Bergamo or Madrid moment
* Germany has a strong esoteric / anthroposophical movement (Steiner, Waldorf et al.)
* Federalism: Vaccination rates vary a lot by state
- native_samples 5y agoNone of those are the right answer. These are the answers people come up with having never talked to anyone who disagrees. The right answers are: 1. They don't trust the medical authorities to be honest about the risks. 2. They don't feel a need for it because they're at low risk of COVID and know it. 3. They don't believe it will change anything.
- Pyramus 5y ago> The right answers The right answers, but for the wrong question ;) Not disagreeing with you, but parent was asking why is Germany so bad relative to their European peers.
- worik 5y agoPacific peers actually!-)
- jseban 5y agoAnd 1. The recommendation to take the vaccine goes exactly against anything the doctors said pre-covid. Before covid, nobody would recommend you to take a vaccine against something you are not in a risk group for, and double doses and boosters were unheard of. This makes me suspicious, and I don't think that is unreasonable. 2. You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine, which also is not normal, you are not supposed to get sick from vaccines, you are supposed to take them to avoid getting sick So the whole vaccination situation is something that's new and confusing, why do what my doctor always said to not do? Why get sick from vaccines, aren't they supposed to stop you from getting sick? Why double and triple vaccines?
- WickyNilliams 5y ago> You get really sick from the second dose of the vaccine What? That's not a universal truth at all. Anecdotally just a few people I know felt a little run down for a day, but everyone else (myself included) experience felt zero ill effects
- jseban 5y agoEveryone I know got really sick from second dose of mRNA, myself included. Probably the people who already had covid in the past and were recovered.
- WickyNilliams 5y agoOpposite experience for me. I only knew one person who felt a little under the weather, and they have cystic fibrosis meaning they are immunocompromised, so not surprising. For them they felt a little sweaty one night, that's all
- vimy 5y agoThat was exactly my experience! So you think it’s linked to a previous infection?
- jseban 5y agoFrom what my limited research could find, is that the more immunity you have, the worse the side effects.
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- tomp 5y agoYour point (1) cannot be true, as Italy has barely better vaccination rate. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~ITA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- Pyramus 5y agoRoughly 10 % more people doubly vaccinated (78 vs 71 per hundred) is barely?