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I think about this approach every two weeks, when I hear that somewhere in the world there's a new initiative to treat the internet like a kindergarten. Sure wh

by devtul 5y ago

I think about this approach every two weeks, when I hear that somewhere in the world there's a new initiative to treat the internet like a kindergarten. Sure why not, but I would like to sign up for the wild west, the easily offended and gullible can live happily on the safe side, thanks.

qwerty456127 5y ago
Exactly. I used yo be a total Internet freedom proponent and that's what I want for myself but now as everybody (of whom the majority is mentally unprepared) is on Facebook I admit it makes no sense - Internet kindergartens have to be there for the people who need them (and most of these people just naturally go to places like Facebook and Instagram).
- etherael 5y ago
  The problem with this is that the mass of clueless kindergarten attendants are fed a steady diet of complete nonsense by curated and cultivated media outlets pushing very specific self serving narratives, which these obedient clueless drones in massive hordes then go out into the world and behave politically and economically exactly as those who treated them like the wind-up toy soldiers they actually are intended. And the more defeaning the silence is when the idiotic ideas these people float about as plausible and desirable things, the more confident and less cautious that they are in support and pursuit of those things. As somebody who spent the last week reading Facebook post after post from these people specifically in Australia not just defending but promoting concentration camps, military round ups and forced medication, I cannot emphasise enough caution in the idea that they should just be left alone in their harmless walled gardens with their amusing but inconsequential fantasies, not subject to the trauma of critical inquiry by third parties.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    > defending but promoting concentration camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_immigration_detention_facilities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_immigration_detenti... ? I agree, that's a terrible piece of policy.
  - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
    Your first two paragraphs are spot on, your last one demonstrates clearly that Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information. There are no concentration camps, no military round ups, and no forced medication* in Australia. * There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point.
    - etherael 5y ago
      > There are no concentration camps, no military round ups Yes there are, not a troll, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. https://youtu.be/vQok3GMMSAI https://youtu.be/vQok3GMMSAI > and no forced medication* in Australia. That part is true but I never said there were yet. I said clueless information walled gardens were constantly advocating for them with very little push back exactly because they're in walled gardens where that is the narrative they want pushed. > There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point. I do think it is to an extent. But there's definitely a gap between that and forcibly injecting people against their will, and that is what I was seeing many posts advocating for along with those military round ups and concentration camps that are already facts on the ground and are only being varnished with more PR friendly labels just like they were in every single deployment in history.
      - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
        Well I'm an Australian citizen, so I am "the horse" as well, so let me share some first-hand information. The military was engaged on a short term support basis to assist with logistics, contract tracing, swabbing for tests, etc [0]. The oft-repeated claim that the military was deployed to forcibly contain people in quarantine is false. Australia often deploys its military internally to help mitigate natural disasters. > forcibly injecting people against their will, and that is what I was seeing many posts advocating for I believe you. Seeing the viciousness, tribalism, and callousness that other Australians have treated each other with during covid has been nothing short of disgusting. One part of the Australian psyche that is not often discussed, is that in times of disaster, we are expected to engage in collectivism. Australia is besieged by more than its fair share of natural disasters (bushfires, floods, cyclones and droughts are all commonplace) and in those times, the community pulls together and supports one another. Covid was largely viewed through the same lens, where those who don't pull their weight are shunned. Given the amplification of toxicity that the internet can provide, you get posts like the ones you've seen. Not excusing it, just explaining it. [0] - https://www.defence.gov.au/operations/opcovid19-assist https://www.defence.gov.au/operations/opcovid19-assist
  - devtul 5y ago
    A while ago I would say you are tainted, but I've watched as my group of friends increasingly parroted every corporate media talking point, even when they flip-flopped constantly about a subject. They wouldn't see a conflict there and would deflect if I tried to point that out. Now I keep to myself and watch the patterns, and I'am ok with that it is what it is, I love my friends and I don't think less of them because of that.
- hellojesus 5y ago
  Yes, people tend to naturally self select into the parts of the internet that suit them. There are many wild wests on the internet in the clearnet, yet most of the people I know that would want to be treated like children already exclusively are via fb, insta, etc. Be that as it is, I see no reason for further controls. Heck, I doubt I would have had any real interest in learning about computers if my only options for internet fun were boring sites like the top socials. From experience, I would imagine most of the appeal of the net for people if it were to become some locked down nanny land would be in breaking out of it or in "misusing" the services. Or, more likely, people would just make new sites that would serve as the wild west. The infinite of the undeveloped is not containable.

by devtul 5y ago

qwerty456127 5y ago

Exactly. I used yo be a total Internet freedom proponent and that's what I want for myself but now as everybody (of whom the majority is mentally unprepared) is on Facebook I admit it makes no sense - Internet kindergartens have to be there for the people who need them (and most of these people just naturally go to places like Facebook and Instagram).

etherael 5y ago
The problem with this is that the mass of clueless kindergarten attendants are fed a steady diet of complete nonsense by curated and cultivated media outlets pushing very specific self serving narratives, which these obedient clueless drones in massive hordes then go out into the world and behave politically and economically exactly as those who treated them like the wind-up toy soldiers they actually are intended. And the more defeaning the silence is when the idiotic ideas these people float about as plausible and desirable things, the more confident and less cautious that they are in support and pursuit of those things. As somebody who spent the last week reading Facebook post after post from these people specifically in Australia not just defending but promoting concentration camps, military round ups and forced medication, I cannot emphasise enough caution in the idea that they should just be left alone in their harmless walled gardens with their amusing but inconsequential fantasies, not subject to the trauma of critical inquiry by third parties.
- pjc50 5y ago
  > defending but promoting concentration camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_immigration_detention_facilities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_immigration_detenti... ? I agree, that's a terrible piece of policy.
- SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
  Your first two paragraphs are spot on, your last one demonstrates clearly that Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information. There are no concentration camps, no military round ups, and no forced medication* in Australia. * There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point.
  - etherael 5y ago
    > There are no concentration camps, no military round ups Yes there are, not a troll, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. https://youtu.be/vQok3GMMSAI https://youtu.be/vQok3GMMSAI > and no forced medication* in Australia. That part is true but I never said there were yet. I said clueless information walled gardens were constantly advocating for them with very little push back exactly because they're in walled gardens where that is the narrative they want pushed. > There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point. I do think it is to an extent. But there's definitely a gap between that and forcibly injecting people against their will, and that is what I was seeing many posts advocating for along with those military round ups and concentration camps that are already facts on the ground and are only being varnished with more PR friendly labels just like they were in every single deployment in history.
    - SturgeonsLaw 5y ago
      Well I'm an Australian citizen, so I am "the horse" as well, so let me share some first-hand information. The military was engaged on a short term support basis to assist with logistics, contract tracing, swabbing for tests, etc [0]. The oft-repeated claim that the military was deployed to forcibly contain people in quarantine is false. Australia often deploys its military internally to help mitigate natural disasters. > forcibly injecting people against their will, and that is what I was seeing many posts advocating for I believe you. Seeing the viciousness, tribalism, and callousness that other Australians have treated each other with during covid has been nothing short of disgusting. One part of the Australian psyche that is not often discussed, is that in times of disaster, we are expected to engage in collectivism. Australia is besieged by more than its fair share of natural disasters (bushfires, floods, cyclones and droughts are all commonplace) and in those times, the community pulls together and supports one another. Covid was largely viewed through the same lens, where those who don't pull their weight are shunned. Given the amplification of toxicity that the internet can provide, you get posts like the ones you've seen. Not excusing it, just explaining it. [0] - https://www.defence.gov.au/operations/opcovid19-assist https://www.defence.gov.au/operations/opcovid19-assist
- devtul 5y ago
  A while ago I would say you are tainted, but I've watched as my group of friends increasingly parroted every corporate media talking point, even when they flip-flopped constantly about a subject. They wouldn't see a conflict there and would deflect if I tried to point that out. Now I keep to myself and watch the patterns, and I'am ok with that it is what it is, I love my friends and I don't think less of them because of that.
hellojesus 5y ago
Yes, people tend to naturally self select into the parts of the internet that suit them. There are many wild wests on the internet in the clearnet, yet most of the people I know that would want to be treated like children already exclusively are via fb, insta, etc. Be that as it is, I see no reason for further controls. Heck, I doubt I would have had any real interest in learning about computers if my only options for internet fun were boring sites like the top socials. From experience, I would imagine most of the appeal of the net for people if it were to become some locked down nanny land would be in breaking out of it or in "misusing" the services. Or, more likely, people would just make new sites that would serve as the wild west. The infinite of the undeveloped is not containable.