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According to the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Dashboard, as of now, Sweden has had 15,145 deaths; Norway has had 1,050 deaths; Denmark 2,863; Finland 1,309. With popu

• bingohbangoh 5y ago
  What are the _total deaths_? What is the total mortality rate?
  • lokl 5y ago
    You can view JHU's raw data sources at https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19. According to that, they are getting COVID death numbers for Sweden from the Swedish Public Health Agency via https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6.... I am not fluent in Swedish, but perhaps someone who is can tell you exactly how the Swedish Public Health Agency measures them. Likewise for the other countries cited.
  • gus_massa 5y ago
    Death per million inhabitants in these 4 countries: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor... You can also compare with other neighbors and Europe: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~DEU~POL~LVA~LTU~RUS~FIN~Europe https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
    • throwaway23487 5y ago
      Seems like a minuscule percentage. Is that a pragmatic-enough reason to significantly deteriorate the economy and mental health of the enormous majority of people?
      • marvin 5y ago
        The GDP change in 2020 for Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland were -2.8%, -0.8%, -2.7% and -2.8%, respectively. Sweden had no advantage over its neighbors on the economic outcome, and you'd need to cite real data in order to make an argument for mental health. Naïvely assuming a causal relationship with quarantine measures for both without considering positive effects of better health outcomes (and other factors) is fallacious.
• ptr 5y ago
  Not saying it’s the reason, but Sweden has higher urbanization than its neighbors. The country also has more people who don’t speak the native language. Belgium has a similar population size but more deaths (27k).
  • runarberg 5y ago
    Sweden does not have higher urbanization then Denmark (both at 88%). Also what has native language anything to do with the spread of the virus and its mortality rate? I fail to see a logical link between the two.
    • emkoemko 5y ago
      maybe some languages by their nature spread more virus into the air? i don't know..
  • jsnell 5y ago
    > Not saying it’s the reason, but Sweden has higher urbanization than its neighbors. The urbanization % for the four countries are: 82.9%, 87.9%, 85.5%, and 88.1%. Which one of those do you think is Sweden? Do you think it's at all plausible that such small differences could account for an order of magnitude more deaths? > The country also has more people who don’t speak the native language What are the numbers, and why would that be relevant?
• titzer 5y ago
  > Saying Sweden has "just survived" Europe "just survived" the black plague (1/3rd of Europe died). Life on Earth "just survived" the Chicxulub impactor (the Dinosaurs and 90% of species on Earth died). People who say flippant things like this are unserious and frankly, dangerous.
  • Thorentis 5y ago
    COVID does not have a death rate of 33%.
    • mjlawson 5y ago
      You're missing the forest from the trees here; no one's suggesting that. Instead, we're saying that perhaps you shouldn't use Sweden as evidence supporting non-intervention when their deaths per capita was an order of magnitude higher than similar countries with more aggressive policies.
      • enw 5y ago
        Potentially you're also missing the forest from the trees: it may be an order of magnitude higher, but in relation to the population size, the number of deaths is minuscule regardless.
        • simondotau 5y ago
          Well then I have to ask: what hypothetical rate of death could exceed your definition of minuscule? How many per capita deaths do we need to reach before you will agree that societal intervention is warranted? A number would be appreciated.
          • jwlake 5y ago
            The simple answer is public policy always lags the public therefor is always a bad idea to implement NPIs. Public policy should be concentrating on increasing hospital capacity, therapeutic/prophylactic distribution. Presumably never on "lockdowns" or travel bans or masks. People will lock themselves down if it's bad enough, and more importantly at finer granularity and with more equity.
• ed_balls 5y ago
  Japan is fascinating for me. Do they just not test people? https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~BGR~HUN~ISR~JPN~POL https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
  • wwweston 5y ago
    I think "high degree of social cooperation," pretty big strength when confronting a socially transmitted threat.
• oliv__ 5y ago
  So Sweden had proportionately 5 times more deaths for not locking down with a death / population ratio of 0.00145? I don't think it's ridiculous to consider not locking down with those stats. Locking down has tremendous costs whether mental or economic, you just can't compute and make a nice graph of it.
  • tgv 5y ago
    Are you going to tell those 12000 people: sorry, but you need to die for my exceptionally limited view of economy?
    • bmeski 5y ago
      Yes. How many people die in car accidents each year?
      • kaba0 5y ago
        Will it increase exponentially if not cared about?
        • jdminhbg 5y ago
          Yes, car deaths have decreased by multiple orders of magnitude in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year#/media/File:US_traffic_deaths_per_VMT,_VMT,_per_capita,_and_total_annual_deaths.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
          • kaba0 5y ago
            You can’t infer that from the graph. Yeah, they will go back to pre-pandemic levels, but they won’t increase exponentially from then on - which is not the case for COVID with no restrictions, which will only plateau at ridiculously high amount of infected (and dead).
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• l33tman 5y ago
  The aggregated over-mortality rate for Sweden at this point puts it in the lower part among the EU, at place 21 of 31 compared countries IIRC. The covid-related death-count at 15000 has been more or less constant since May even while it's surging now in the other countries. Besides, people keep comparing Sweden to Norway, Denmark and Finland, which is a bad comparison as the demographies are very different.
  • SeanLuke 5y ago
    And yet you just decided to compare it to a host of EU countries whose demographics are radically different from Sweden. Rather surprised you don't think Norway and Denmark are appropriate peers against which to compare Sweden. So please provide better suggestions for peers, rather than comparing it as you are, apparently, against Greece.
  • sgt 5y ago
    That's a bizarre statement. Sweden is almost directly comparable to Norway and Denmark at the very least. Finland too.
• tinus_hn 5y ago
  Sweden kept its freedom and paid the price. Considering that Sweden is not now experiencing another wave while the other countries are, it remains to be seen what the price is the other countries ultimately will pay.