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I don't see how that follows.

thereisnospork 5y ago
everyone is a set which includes anyone. If all (e.g.) 7th graders must have the same knowledge of math, that knowledge of math cannot exceed the knowledge attainable by the dumbest (read: any) 7th grader. This is tautologically true.
- holonomically 5y ago
  Yes, thanks. That clears it up. You're right. We must teach no one anything otherwise there would be some people that wouldn't be able to understand. That was exactly what I was thinking and your example helped me understand. What you were saying was clearly tautological and I just didn't have the logical training to understand it.
  - thereisnospork 5y ago
    I suppose this is what I get for trying to interact with someone in good faith on the internet.
    - holonomically 5y ago
      Your interpretation of what I was saying was clearly adversarial and uncharitable so I just got tired of it. It's entirely possible to have high standards for everyone (including the "stupid") without reducing the quality of the curriculum. But you're not interested in having that discussion because you're grinding some other axe about what you perceive to be the ideological takeover of the educational system.
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Then make your case instead of pretending to not understand the statement. What is your solution to enable high quality curriculum and ensuring uniform success?
        holonomically 5y ago
        I didn't say anything about "uniform success".
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        >What's the fallacy in teaching everyone the same things? That seems like a good way to equalize life outcomes and give everyone the required skills for succeeding in contemporary society. What did you mean by equalize life outcomes then? again, what is your position and proposal?
        holonomically 5y ago
        My position is that kids should be taught math at an earlier age and schools should be properly staffed and funded to ensure positive learning outcomes for all students regardless of their socio-economic background because that will lead to more equal life outcomes.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Then you and TimTheTinker basically agree. The only noteworthy difference is defining acceptable failure rate, which neither of you did.
        holonomically 5y ago
        There is no way to fail in what I'm proposing because there are no grades. Everyone gets feedback on how to improve and students can receive all the help they need to keep up with the curriculum.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        1) What if a student refuses to attend school? 2) Can no student advance until everyone has mastered the material?

everyone is a set which includes anyone. If all (e.g.) 7th graders must have the same knowledge of math, that knowledge of math cannot exceed the knowledge attainable by the dumbest (read: any) 7th grader. This is tautologically true.

holonomically 5y ago
Yes, thanks. That clears it up. You're right. We must teach no one anything otherwise there would be some people that wouldn't be able to understand. That was exactly what I was thinking and your example helped me understand. What you were saying was clearly tautological and I just didn't have the logical training to understand it.
- thereisnospork 5y ago
  I suppose this is what I get for trying to interact with someone in good faith on the internet.
  - holonomically 5y ago
    Your interpretation of what I was saying was clearly adversarial and uncharitable so I just got tired of it. It's entirely possible to have high standards for everyone (including the "stupid") without reducing the quality of the curriculum. But you're not interested in having that discussion because you're grinding some other axe about what you perceive to be the ideological takeover of the educational system.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      Then make your case instead of pretending to not understand the statement. What is your solution to enable high quality curriculum and ensuring uniform success?
      - holonomically 5y ago
        I didn't say anything about "uniform success".
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        >What's the fallacy in teaching everyone the same things? That seems like a good way to equalize life outcomes and give everyone the required skills for succeeding in contemporary society. What did you mean by equalize life outcomes then? again, what is your position and proposal?
        holonomically 5y ago
        My position is that kids should be taught math at an earlier age and schools should be properly staffed and funded to ensure positive learning outcomes for all students regardless of their socio-economic background because that will lead to more equal life outcomes.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Then you and TimTheTinker basically agree. The only noteworthy difference is defining acceptable failure rate, which neither of you did.
        holonomically 5y ago
        There is no way to fail in what I'm proposing because there are no grades. Everyone gets feedback on how to improve and students can receive all the help they need to keep up with the curriculum.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        1) What if a student refuses to attend school? 2) Can no student advance until everyone has mastered the material?