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Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly, since only about 9% of the food they ea

Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly, since only about 9% of the food they eat is converted into edible flesh. So even if you take this argument seriously, the insects and field animals are better off if you grow fewer crops, which you accomplish by directly eating the crops you grow, not feeding them to livestock.

Lhiw 5y ago
I addressed that with my remark about minimising harm. Veganism isn't about minimising harm, its drawing an arbitrary line around what constitutes animal harm and goes from there, I don't understand this as it isn't very realistic or usable in the real world where as minimising harm is.
sojournerc 5y ago
But you get 10 times the nutrition density from animal protein.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  That sort of claim is going to require some numbers for what you define as "nutrition density". Picking at random 100g of steak vs 100g of kidney beans you get more calories, equal protein, far more potassium, vitamin c, iron, vitamin b, calcium, and magnesium from the beans. I enjoy a good steak too, but I know it's a luxury.
bumby 5y ago
>Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly This applies to industrial meat production. Do your thoughts change in regards to hunting/fishing which doesn't (necessarily*) rely on industrial crop agriculture? (I realize a lot of species population numbers - especially deer in the Midwest - are inflated due to the availability of crops for them to feed upon. But there are other species where this isn't necessarily the case.)
- valenaut 5y ago
  Yes, I'd say hunting and fishing don't have this problem. I have other ethical issues with eating animals, but hunting wildlife is orders of magnitude better than industrial agriculture.

Lhiw 5y ago

I addressed that with my remark about minimising harm. Veganism isn't about minimising harm, its drawing an arbitrary line around what constitutes animal harm and goes from there, I don't understand this as it isn't very realistic or usable in the real world where as minimising harm is.

sojournerc 5y ago

But you get 10 times the nutrition density from animal protein.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
That sort of claim is going to require some numbers for what you define as "nutrition density". Picking at random 100g of steak vs 100g of kidney beans you get more calories, equal protein, far more potassium, vitamin c, iron, vitamin b, calcium, and magnesium from the beans. I enjoy a good steak too, but I know it's a luxury.

bumby 5y ago

>Eating farm animals requires you to grow 9 times as many crops to feed them as if you had just eaten the crops directly This applies to industrial meat production. Do your thoughts change in regards to hunting/fishing which doesn't (necessarily*) rely on industrial crop agriculture? (I realize a lot of species population numbers - especially deer in the Midwest - are inflated due to the availability of crops for them to feed upon. But there are other species where this isn't necessarily the case.)

valenaut 5y ago
Yes, I'd say hunting and fishing don't have this problem. I have other ethical issues with eating animals, but hunting wildlife is orders of magnitude better than industrial agriculture.