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A significant portion of our waking life is spent doing things to obtain property. When thieves steal it they are stealing spent life and possibly livelihood.
by hnaccy 5y ago
A significant portion of our waking life is spent doing things to obtain property. When thieves steal it they are stealing spent life and possibly livelihood.
I don't find it surprising that thieves face more gruesome punishments like hanging, cutting off hands, etc in places especially when there may be little recourse for the victims of theft and the theft represents a significant impact on their life.
I think reasonable argument against such things is that it is too easy for people to mistakenly hurt a non-thief on accident. That's more convincing to me than simply saying property < life at all times. If I was poor and needed my vehicle to get to work everyday and you're stealing it then yes I would be willing to shoot you to stop you.
- pasquinelli 5y ago> When thieves steal it they are stealing spent life and possibly livelihood. well lucky for you and unlucky for the theif, spent life isn't a real thing and it can do nothing for anyone. > If I was poor and needed my vehicle to get to work everyday and you're stealing it then yes I would be willing to shoot you to stop you. do me a favor and stick to speaking from your own actual experience. why would anyone care what you think you'd do if you were poor?
- redanddead 5y agoI've noticed this phenomenon grow over time and it piqued my curiosity: if the Muslim way is more representative of what Americans would like to live (ie. executing criminals), why do they vilify Muslims? I think I read recently that the Americans were praising the Taliban for beating their "weak" soldiers and being conservative I'm not trying to take away from your argument, just curious about this thing I've noticed over time
- howdydoo 5y agoThere is more than one American and they don't all think the same way.
- esyir 5y agoSo, I believe this is in part because of lax enforcement and the seeming ineffectiveness of the state with regard to property crime. The endgoal is low crime, that's what most people want. If the more humane methods fail, people are going to happily go along with more brutal methods. If the state is sufficiently derelict of it's duty, then you'll see vigilantism.
- 1123581321 5y agoMany people in the US who admire the conservative aspects of Muslim religious law (as commonly perceived) also fear forced religious conversion or subjugation and believe that Muslims would like to apply their religious law in the US.
- trasz 5y agoLike the Christian extremists already do by banning abortion?
- 1123581321 5y agoI vouched for trasz’ comment but can’t reply to it. Yes, I would say that abortion is an example of what I was referring to. While there is a social-utilitarian aspect to opposition to abortion, the primary motivation is religiously-derived morality. Islam actually has something similar in its belief in the existence of a soul at a certain point in gestation. The downvotes on my comment are funny because I have no idea if the right or left is upset with it! It’s an uncomfortable topic either way, certainly.
- s5300 5y ago[flagged]
- dragonwriter 5y ago> if the Muslim way is more representative of what Americans would like to live, Its not, generally, and for the faction for which it is in many respects, it is not specifically in being Muslim, because that faction is zealous Christian theocrats.
- Nursie 5y agoProperty can be replaced. Lives can't. property < life at all times.
- bluesnowmonkey 5y agoWe make new people all the time.
- kleer001 5y agosome of it not even on purpose
- Nursie 5y agoYou can't replace the life of the dead person though, you've taken that forever.
- Eelongate 5y agoThat's something for would-be thieves in Texas to keep in mind, isn't it? Is the catalytic converter worth your life?
- 0x0nyandesu 5y agoWho cares?
- bluesnowmonkey 5y agoWell you can’t replace anything, exactly. If your house burns down, and insurance builds a new one, it’s still a different house. Your dog dies and you get a new dog, it’s a different dog. If you say, people can’t be replaced because they’re just inherently irreplaceable, that’s a tautology.
- Nursie 5y ago> If you say, people can’t be replaced because they’re just inherently irreplaceable, that’s a tautology. This line of argument is entirely disingenuous. My life, once taken, cannot be given back to me. Neither can any substitute life.