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I don't really have have any complaints, it's really easy to tell which tab is where and the mouseover makes it even clearer. Does it look better? Maybe. Does i

I don't really have have any complaints, it's really easy to tell which tab is where and the mouseover makes it even clearer. Does it look better? Maybe. Does it function worse? No.

Amezarak 5y ago
I am not sure why, because I don't actually remember how it used to work, but this version of Firefox is the first time I can remember where for some reason I keep getting confused about what tab is active and end up closing the wrong tab. If I slow down and pay attention I'm OK, but it's definitely less functional for me.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  It seems extremely clear to me. There is even only one tab that has an x icon so the only way to close it is to middle click the tab.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    It depends how many tabs are open.
SrslyJosh 5y ago
> Does it function worse for me? No. Fixed it for you.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  And the old-style clutter works better for you and worse for them. What are we to do? Obviously we have to design for the majority. I presume there are high-contrast modes that can be enabled if you need that.
  - r-w 5y ago
    > Obviously we have to design for the majority. That isn't obvious to me. Why remove things that were helping the minority and not hindering the majority?
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      Doesn't the clutter hinder?
  - SrslyJosh 5y ago
    > And the old-style clutter You're gonna have to actually defend the notion that having borders around interactive UI elements is "clutter". Calling it "clutter" doesn't make it "clutter". > I presume there are high-contrast modes that can be enabled if you need that. I don't, but I also don't see a reason to make "inaccessible" (or even "less accessible") the default.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      If anyone robustly defending the previous border? Calling it useful doesn’t make it useful. Ultimately we’re all just giving opinions and a proper study should be done if people want to argue either way. Until then it’s up to the devs as the people doing the actual work I guess.
sp332 5y ago
I don't like it because the click area doesn't line up with the visibly-highlighted area, even on mouseover. The actual button extends beyond the highlight in every direction. Because the borders are visually indistinct, I have to aim for the center of each tab when I want to click instead of being able to confidently use the whole active area.
- strken 5y ago
  Yep. It's had the side-effect of making me use the keyboard for everything, which is a net positive, but the design itself makes it more difficult to target specific tabs with a mouse.

I don't really have have any complaints, it's really easy to tell which tab is where and the mouseover makes it even clearer. Does it look better? Maybe. Does it function worse? No.

Amezarak 5y ago

I am not sure why, because I don't actually remember how it used to work, but this version of Firefox is the first time I can remember where for some reason I keep getting confused about what tab is active and end up closing the wrong tab. If I slow down and pay attention I'm OK, but it's definitely less functional for me.

Gigachad 5y ago
It seems extremely clear to me. There is even only one tab that has an x icon so the only way to close it is to middle click the tab.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  It depends how many tabs are open.

SrslyJosh 5y ago

> Does it function worse for me? No. Fixed it for you.

chrisseaton 5y ago
And the old-style clutter works better for you and worse for them. What are we to do? Obviously we have to design for the majority. I presume there are high-contrast modes that can be enabled if you need that.
- r-w 5y ago
  > Obviously we have to design for the majority. That isn't obvious to me. Why remove things that were helping the minority and not hindering the majority?
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    Doesn't the clutter hinder?
- SrslyJosh 5y ago
  > And the old-style clutter You're gonna have to actually defend the notion that having borders around interactive UI elements is "clutter". Calling it "clutter" doesn't make it "clutter". > I presume there are high-contrast modes that can be enabled if you need that. I don't, but I also don't see a reason to make "inaccessible" (or even "less accessible") the default.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    If anyone robustly defending the previous border? Calling it useful doesn’t make it useful. Ultimately we’re all just giving opinions and a proper study should be done if people want to argue either way. Until then it’s up to the devs as the people doing the actual work I guess.

sp332 5y ago

I don't like it because the click area doesn't line up with the visibly-highlighted area, even on mouseover. The actual button extends beyond the highlight in every direction. Because the borders are visually indistinct, I have to aim for the center of each tab when I want to click instead of being able to confidently use the whole active area.

strken 5y ago
Yep. It's had the side-effect of making me use the keyboard for everything, which is a net positive, but the design itself makes it more difficult to target specific tabs with a mouse.