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Good for them. I wish other governments did the same. We could all work together to get rid of this disease, but this will never happen if we let people that r

by bighi 5y ago

Good for them. I wish other governments did the same. We could all work together to get rid of this disease, but this will never happen if we let people that refuse medicine to walk freely contaminating others.

helloworld11 5y ago
The reasoning inside your comment shows the worst kind of obsessive rationalization of truly abnormal, paranoid efforts to mitigate a number that by itself is steadily becoming practically irrelevant. For one thing, COVID will without a doubt become an endemic disease of the human species and is currently impossible to erradícate no matter the forced vaccination programs we throw at it, and secondly, who cares? So long as the virus either mutates into something no worse than seasonal flu and cold viruses, or we adapt to cause us a comparable level of immune protection, its spread and case numbers should be no more relevant than the annual spread of any normal mild flu strain or cold virus was before the absurd 2021 hysteria over raw COVID numbers (not even fatalities or anything that actually has any serious meaning anymore) took hold over millions of people and the politicians who pander to them. It's sad to see how many otherwise presumably normal people so easily skip away from ideas of basic individual rights for such flimsy reasons now.
dempseye 5y ago
This is an endemic disease of humans and will never be eradicated.
bsaul 5y ago
what data makes you think vaccine prevents spreading ? I haven't found any compelling case that would go in that direction. Number of cases seem totally unrelated to vaccination coverage..
- tfehring 5y ago
  https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/10/13/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/10/13/do-coronavirus... Direct link to cited study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...
- glogla 5y ago
  When comparing data with last year, keep in mind that was different and far less contagious strain of the virus.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Vaccines reduce spreading, reduce hospitalizations, and reduce serious illness Saying "the vaccines don't work at all" is IMO equivalent to saying seatbelts don't work at all, they should be abolished, because someone wrecked and died at 200mph while wearing seatbelts.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Seatbelts do work yet the data on vaccines is - in the very few countries that publish the needed data - by now very clear. Only six months after vaccination the vaccinated are actually much more likely to get COVID than the unvaccinated. Yes this sounds wrong but the data is unambiguous. The UK breaks out cases by age and status. For over 30s case rates are now double or higher. Check my comment history for links.
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      Ah yeah, links to some random blogs... seems legit. A bit like all the "proof" of Democrats stealing 2020, I just don't have time to debunk them all and I'm just going to assume they're fudging the numbers. But well, I've spotted something: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-watch https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-..., ages 40-49: the vaxxed are getting sick at twice the rate of unvaxxed ones. But this image https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A0B/production/_121534213_uk_vax_by_age_11nov-nc.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A0B/production/... from https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 says more than 75% of 40-49 have had 1 dosage. Imagine if 100% of a population has been vaccinated. We know breakthrough cases are possible. Everyone that gets Covid after that will be breakthrough! And this graph would have 0 cases of the unvaxxed, and a non-zero bar for the vaxxed, and you're going to interpret that as "The vaccination gives you Covid!". The quoted emails try to explain why this graph is bad and liable to misinterpration, but the Substack author is misleading you by telling you there's dodgy stuff going on. If the vaccine efficacy drops down after 6 months, then, boosters should be prescribed and even made mandatory. But boohoo, more crying from the other side.
- latchkey 5y ago
  > what data makes you think vaccine prevents spreading ? Maybe because the CDC says so? Or have we lost all faith in them? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythings... "COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting people from COVID-19 and help keep adults and children from getting seriously sick. COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19."
  - bsaul 5y ago
    Well, but then how do you explain the total non-correlation between number of cases vs vaccination rates in various countries ?
    - latchkey 5y ago
      Variants. Delta changed everything. This isn't just one virus globally so you can't compare across countries like that. Look into what happened with Vietnam. They were able to 'control' the spread multiple times over the first year. They thought they could always control things, so they didn't focus on vaccination. Once delta took hold, it spread more quickly than they could control things and the govt. has gone crazy on getting everyone vaccinated as quickly as possible. At this point though, infections are soaring. The govt. has given up trying to control it. A lot of people are going to die. They are figuring that they will push to get as many people vaccinated, but herd immunity will come faster. The plan now is to get the country open again more quickly.
      - bsaul 5y ago
        and then you have netherlands with 80%+ of the pop vaccinated hitting record number of cases. I'm sorry but the narrative "vaccine prevents spread" has been falling apart for the past 6 months and is now completely disproved by real world data. Not a single country has been successful at preventing the spread with vaccination. And it shows at every level : from cities (singapore) to small islands (cayman islands) to states.
chrismcb 5y ago
You seem to imply it is ok for people who take the medication to walk freely contaminating others.

by bighi 5y ago

helloworld11 5y ago

The reasoning inside your comment shows the worst kind of obsessive rationalization of truly abnormal, paranoid efforts to mitigate a number that by itself is steadily becoming practically irrelevant. For one thing, COVID will without a doubt become an endemic disease of the human species and is currently impossible to erradícate no matter the forced vaccination programs we throw at it, and secondly, who cares? So long as the virus either mutates into something no worse than seasonal flu and cold viruses, or we adapt to cause us a comparable level of immune protection, its spread and case numbers should be no more relevant than the annual spread of any normal mild flu strain or cold virus was before the absurd 2021 hysteria over raw COVID numbers (not even fatalities or anything that actually has any serious meaning anymore) took hold over millions of people and the politicians who pander to them. It's sad to see how many otherwise presumably normal people so easily skip away from ideas of basic individual rights for such flimsy reasons now.

dempseye 5y ago

This is an endemic disease of humans and will never be eradicated.

bsaul 5y ago

what data makes you think vaccine prevents spreading ? I haven't found any compelling case that would go in that direction. Number of cases seem totally unrelated to vaccination coverage..

tfehring 5y ago
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/10/13/do-coronavirus-vaccines-prevent-transmission-of-the-virus https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/10/13/do-coronavirus... Direct link to cited study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...
glogla 5y ago
When comparing data with last year, keep in mind that was different and far less contagious strain of the virus.
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Vaccines reduce spreading, reduce hospitalizations, and reduce serious illness Saying "the vaccines don't work at all" is IMO equivalent to saying seatbelts don't work at all, they should be abolished, because someone wrecked and died at 200mph while wearing seatbelts.
- native_samples 5y ago
  Seatbelts do work yet the data on vaccines is - in the very few countries that publish the needed data - by now very clear. Only six months after vaccination the vaccinated are actually much more likely to get COVID than the unvaccinated. Yes this sounds wrong but the data is unambiguous. The UK breaks out cases by age and status. For over 30s case rates are now double or higher. Check my comment history for links.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Ah yeah, links to some random blogs... seems legit. A bit like all the "proof" of Democrats stealing 2020, I just don't have time to debunk them all and I'm just going to assume they're fudging the numbers. But well, I've spotted something: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-watch https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-..., ages 40-49: the vaxxed are getting sick at twice the rate of unvaxxed ones. But this image https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A0B/production/_121534213_uk_vax_by_age_11nov-nc.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A0B/production/... from https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 says more than 75% of 40-49 have had 1 dosage. Imagine if 100% of a population has been vaccinated. We know breakthrough cases are possible. Everyone that gets Covid after that will be breakthrough! And this graph would have 0 cases of the unvaxxed, and a non-zero bar for the vaxxed, and you're going to interpret that as "The vaccination gives you Covid!". The quoted emails try to explain why this graph is bad and liable to misinterpration, but the Substack author is misleading you by telling you there's dodgy stuff going on. If the vaccine efficacy drops down after 6 months, then, boosters should be prescribed and even made mandatory. But boohoo, more crying from the other side.
latchkey 5y ago
> what data makes you think vaccine prevents spreading ? Maybe because the CDC says so? Or have we lost all faith in them? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythings... "COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting people from COVID-19 and help keep adults and children from getting seriously sick. COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19."
- bsaul 5y ago
  Well, but then how do you explain the total non-correlation between number of cases vs vaccination rates in various countries ?
  - latchkey 5y ago
    Variants. Delta changed everything. This isn't just one virus globally so you can't compare across countries like that. Look into what happened with Vietnam. They were able to 'control' the spread multiple times over the first year. They thought they could always control things, so they didn't focus on vaccination. Once delta took hold, it spread more quickly than they could control things and the govt. has gone crazy on getting everyone vaccinated as quickly as possible. At this point though, infections are soaring. The govt. has given up trying to control it. A lot of people are going to die. They are figuring that they will push to get as many people vaccinated, but herd immunity will come faster. The plan now is to get the country open again more quickly.
    - bsaul 5y ago
      and then you have netherlands with 80%+ of the pop vaccinated hitting record number of cases. I'm sorry but the narrative "vaccine prevents spread" has been falling apart for the past 6 months and is now completely disproved by real world data. Not a single country has been successful at preventing the spread with vaccination. And it shows at every level : from cities (singapore) to small islands (cayman islands) to states.

chrismcb 5y ago

You seem to imply it is ok for people who take the medication to walk freely contaminating others.