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That according to the FBI, black people commit 5-10x the violent felonies of white people, per capita. They’re a uniquely violent demographic and it’s unsurpri

That according to the FBI, black people commit 5-10x the violent felonies of white people, per capita. They’re a uniquely violent demographic and it’s unsurprising that their arrest statistics don’t match other demographics. The statistical differences are a result of that underlying difference in rate — rather than anything about the police. No change in police policy except ignoring violent felonies committed by blacks can fix the underlying per capita imbalance. And no — that’s not a race thing, as shown by recent African migrants and other immigrants. It’s a cyclic poverty and crime thing… but that doesn’t change that there’s a correlation between violent felonies and race. A correlation that gets carried forward into arrest statistics.

spamizbad 5y ago
Not sure I follow the logic here. The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? That requires police involvement. In fact, the FBI gathers its data from police departments themselves. So if there is a concentration of police activity aimed at specific communities those numbers are naturally going to be higher. To my knowledge there’s no dataset on who actually does crimes regardless of police involvement (eg: including noninvestigated crimes)
- twofornone 5y ago
  So socioeconomic factors suddenly don't influence crime rate? Broken homes? Missing fathers? Drug epidemics? Rotten crabs in a bucket culture which disproportionately glorifies violence, drug use, misogyny, homophobia, none of these things influence crime rate? We don't even need to touch the subject of genetic predisposition to lower intelligence and/or aggression, which are scientifically documented facts. Let me put it this way: would you willingly move to the ghetto, since as you imply these are friendly people just like you and me who are merely victims of disproportionate scrutiny by police? Modern antiracism is a competition in mental gynmastics, built entirely upon denial of statistics and science. If you are going to acknowledge differences in culture then logical consistency requires acknowledging that certain cultures are more violent and criminal on average than others. That's the nature of our reality and to deny this fact is naive.
  - xphilter 5y ago
    Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn. You know it’s bogus, give me a break. 400 years of slavery, hate, segregation, and economic discrimination is what has led to these “ghettos” with over policing and high crime. The cause is multi-generational poverty. You want to solve the problem? Then go support reparations in the form of extra funding for everything in the “ghetto.”
    - twofornone 5y ago
      >Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn That's slimy, anti-intellectual reasoning. The fact that an opinion is unpopular with the mob does not imply that it is wrong. In any case at least we've moved past the nonsensical assertion that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing.
      - xphilter 5y ago
        Right. To me you come across as a coward unwilling to be racist in the open. What is intellectual about what you said exactly? You’re ignoring history and the underlying reasons for things to support your cowardly worldview. And please, how did “we” all agree that it’s a “nonsensical assertion” that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing”? Are you saying there is overpolicing but that it doesn’t artificially raise crime rates? Are you saying there’s no under policing in higher socioeconomic neighborhoods? Are you saying every crime by a white person is policed and accounted for? And every crime by a Black person is policed and accounted for? How do you know all this? You must have a great dataset.
        scollet 5y ago
        Throw in phrenology to the cocktail and you have a textbook hypocrite.
        twofornone 5y ago
- z3c0 5y ago
  You're correct, and it's very concerning that people flaunt arrest statistics without considering that important element: arrests don't indicate higher rates of crime, they indicate higher rates of enforcement. What's more sad is that this is clearly fueling racism of the worst kind - I call it pseudo-intellectual racism. It's not the kind born of ignorance and cultural differences. It's racism that was reached through broken reasoning, resulting in one who believes their racism is justified, and thus, isn't racism.
- bopbeepboop 5y ago
  > The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? There aren’t enough murder victims for that gap in rate to be meaningfully wrong. Blacks are 13% of the population while accounting for around 50% of arrests for violent felonies — with whites account for most of the remainder. So your comment is suggesting that the murder rate is something like 3x as high as reported — purely out of racism. Do you have any evidence for that extraordinary claim — other than you don’t like the fact race is unfortunately correlated with crime? I think the minimal explanation here is the unfortunate truth: some cultures are self-destructive and a legacy of racial abuse has left part of the US in a poor culture even though the racism impacting them has been removed. As Kanye would say — the slavery is in your mind.
enkid 5y ago
Blacks are also about 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. If that's your only source of information, you would believe it was because blacks buy more marijuana, but that's not true. White and black use of marijuana is basically the same. This is why we shouldn't take felony statistics at face value for a demographic being "uniquely violent."
- gjs278 5y ago
  the main statistic is homocide and the police are not going to let that crime slide or use discretion when arresting for that
- BizarroLand 5y ago
  It's very easy to claim that you are not racist and that your views are based on statistics when the statistics themselves only show what they show because of the effects of decades of directed, focused and intentional racism.
- bopbeepboop 5y ago
  There aren’t enough corpses or missing persons for the murder ratio to be meaningfully wrong. There’s 21,000 murders a year, and we’d need to add 40,000+ to fix the ratio — with only 2,000 unfound missing persons a year. Your post “sounds smart” while proposing ridiculous things — like we’re somehow missing 40,000 murder victims a year. Okay — where are the missing murder victims?

spamizbad 5y ago

Not sure I follow the logic here. The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? That requires police involvement. In fact, the FBI gathers its data from police departments themselves. So if there is a concentration of police activity aimed at specific communities those numbers are naturally going to be higher. To my knowledge there’s no dataset on who actually does crimes regardless of police involvement (eg: including noninvestigated crimes)

twofornone 5y ago
So socioeconomic factors suddenly don't influence crime rate? Broken homes? Missing fathers? Drug epidemics? Rotten crabs in a bucket culture which disproportionately glorifies violence, drug use, misogyny, homophobia, none of these things influence crime rate? We don't even need to touch the subject of genetic predisposition to lower intelligence and/or aggression, which are scientifically documented facts. Let me put it this way: would you willingly move to the ghetto, since as you imply these are friendly people just like you and me who are merely victims of disproportionate scrutiny by police? Modern antiracism is a competition in mental gynmastics, built entirely upon denial of statistics and science. If you are going to acknowledge differences in culture then logical consistency requires acknowledging that certain cultures are more violent and criminal on average than others. That's the nature of our reality and to deny this fact is naive.
- xphilter 5y ago
  Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn. You know it’s bogus, give me a break. 400 years of slavery, hate, segregation, and economic discrimination is what has led to these “ghettos” with over policing and high crime. The cause is multi-generational poverty. You want to solve the problem? Then go support reparations in the form of extra funding for everything in the “ghetto.”
  - twofornone 5y ago
    >Okay, would you out yourself having these views? Surely if you’re so righteous and noble you’d have no problem writing a blog post on LinkedIn That's slimy, anti-intellectual reasoning. The fact that an opinion is unpopular with the mob does not imply that it is wrong. In any case at least we've moved past the nonsensical assertion that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing.
    - xphilter 5y ago
      Right. To me you come across as a coward unwilling to be racist in the open. What is intellectual about what you said exactly? You’re ignoring history and the underlying reasons for things to support your cowardly worldview. And please, how did “we” all agree that it’s a “nonsensical assertion” that crime rates only appear to be higher because of overpolicing”? Are you saying there is overpolicing but that it doesn’t artificially raise crime rates? Are you saying there’s no under policing in higher socioeconomic neighborhoods? Are you saying every crime by a white person is policed and accounted for? And every crime by a Black person is policed and accounted for? How do you know all this? You must have a great dataset.
      - scollet 5y ago
        Throw in phrenology to the cocktail and you have a textbook hypocrite.
      - twofornone 5y ago
z3c0 5y ago
You're correct, and it's very concerning that people flaunt arrest statistics without considering that important element: arrests don't indicate higher rates of crime, they indicate higher rates of enforcement. What's more sad is that this is clearly fueling racism of the worst kind - I call it pseudo-intellectual racism. It's not the kind born of ignorance and cultural differences. It's racism that was reached through broken reasoning, resulting in one who believes their racism is justified, and thus, isn't racism.
bopbeepboop 5y ago
> The FBI statistics you’re quoting pertain to arrests, correct? There aren’t enough murder victims for that gap in rate to be meaningfully wrong. Blacks are 13% of the population while accounting for around 50% of arrests for violent felonies — with whites account for most of the remainder. So your comment is suggesting that the murder rate is something like 3x as high as reported — purely out of racism. Do you have any evidence for that extraordinary claim — other than you don’t like the fact race is unfortunately correlated with crime? I think the minimal explanation here is the unfortunate truth: some cultures are self-destructive and a legacy of racial abuse has left part of the US in a poor culture even though the racism impacting them has been removed. As Kanye would say — the slavery is in your mind.

enkid 5y ago

Blacks are also about 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. If that's your only source of information, you would believe it was because blacks buy more marijuana, but that's not true. White and black use of marijuana is basically the same. This is why we shouldn't take felony statistics at face value for a demographic being "uniquely violent."

gjs278 5y ago
the main statistic is homocide and the police are not going to let that crime slide or use discretion when arresting for that
BizarroLand 5y ago
It's very easy to claim that you are not racist and that your views are based on statistics when the statistics themselves only show what they show because of the effects of decades of directed, focused and intentional racism.
bopbeepboop 5y ago
There aren’t enough corpses or missing persons for the murder ratio to be meaningfully wrong. There’s 21,000 murders a year, and we’d need to add 40,000+ to fix the ratio — with only 2,000 unfound missing persons a year. Your post “sounds smart” while proposing ridiculous things — like we’re somehow missing 40,000 murder victims a year. Okay — where are the missing murder victims?