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Came here to say something very similar. There is a very good podcast in Germany that involves two of the country's leading virologists [1]. In a recent episod

Came here to say something very similar. There is a very good podcast in Germany that involves two of the country's leading virologists [1]. In a recent episode they reviewed the current literature on long Covid. One of the key take-aways was that it's likely not a single disease but a combination of several distinct components. E.g. there is a component that's related to lung damage, one related to fatigue and exhaustion, there's a neurological component related to loss of taste etc. - it's very much work in progress what these components are and how to best treat them. [1] https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html

CryptoPunk 5y ago
That's not a scientific answer. Physical symptoms of stress include: Low energy Headaches Upset stomach, including diarrhea, constipation, and nausea Aches, pains, and tense muscles Chest pain and rapid heartbeat Insomnia Frequent colds and infections Loss of sexual desire and/or ability Nervousness and shaking, ringing in the ear, cold or sweaty hands and feet Dry mouth and difficulty swallowing Clenched jaw and grinding teeth Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. On top of the stress that would undoubtedly afflict a significant fraction of COVID patients, due to the massively inflated fears surrounding COVID, is the effects of physical isolation. One of the requirements for all COVID positive cases is two weeks of total physical isolation. Numerous studies have shown that humans being physically isolated has significant negative health effects. No in person contact. No physical touch. For two weeks. All COVID positive cases, even asymptomatic ones. There are no randomized studies, that control for factors, like the aforementioned psychological distress emanating from fear of COVID, and physical isolation, that suggests COVID causes these long-term symptoms. There are a host of potential confounding factors that could explain these correlations better than damage from the COVID infection. Notice how extreme rigor is demanded for the ivermectin studies but then really just mere correlations is enough to draw scare mongering conclusions about COVID.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  > Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. I don't understand - are you saying lung damage and neurological issues like loss of taste are not distinct factors of long Covid? Or did you come to the realisation that psychological stress often manifests in physiological symptoms? Are you even saying that there is not such a clear distinction between psychological and physiological diseases? > There are no randomized studies, that control for factors, like the aforementioned psychological distress [...] here are a host of potential confounding factors [...] It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. > Notice how extreme rigor is demanded ivermectin studies [...] scare mongering conclusions [...] I'm even more confused - who is demanding and scare mongering?
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety. The same applies to psychological symptoms, like anxiety itself, which is the most commonly reported 'long-COVID' symptom. >>It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. In what sense?
    - theGeatZhopa 5y ago
      Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs. This minimize the volume of the "sponge" lung and in the end reduces the ability to do that gas exchange. Also, it seems COVID is not a respiratory disease but Rather a blood vessel disease. Your lungs have a lot of capillary blood vessels that, when get attacked by spike of the virus just get thrombosed out of the system by our defense. The bloods gas/exchange stops functioning properly. That damage sometimes never reverts. That's why the people can't breathe properly after infection. And that causes stress. Not the other way around. Also if one have been in needed for artificial rebreathening, alone that, blowing in pressurized air into lungs of exactly 1 bar or something, is a damage by itself. So that's why people can't breathe persistently for a long time. It's not psychology :) it's damage and scars everywhere in the substance.

CryptoPunk 5y ago

That's not a scientific answer. Physical symptoms of stress include: Low energy Headaches Upset stomach, including diarrhea, constipation, and nausea Aches, pains, and tense muscles Chest pain and rapid heartbeat Insomnia Frequent colds and infections Loss of sexual desire and/or ability Nervousness and shaking, ringing in the ear, cold or sweaty hands and feet Dry mouth and difficulty swallowing Clenched jaw and grinding teeth Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. On top of the stress that would undoubtedly afflict a significant fraction of COVID patients, due to the massively inflated fears surrounding COVID, is the effects of physical isolation. One of the requirements for all COVID positive cases is two weeks of total physical isolation. Numerous studies have shown that humans being physically isolated has significant negative health effects. No in person contact. No physical touch. For two weeks. All COVID positive cases, even asymptomatic ones. There are no randomized studies, that control for factors, like the aforementioned psychological distress emanating from fear of COVID, and physical isolation, that suggests COVID causes these long-term symptoms. There are a host of potential confounding factors that could explain these correlations better than damage from the COVID infection. Notice how extreme rigor is demanded for the ivermectin studies but then really just mere correlations is enough to draw scare mongering conclusions about COVID.

Pyramus 5y ago
> Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. I don't understand - are you saying lung damage and neurological issues like loss of taste are not distinct factors of long Covid? Or did you come to the realisation that psychological stress often manifests in physiological symptoms? Are you even saying that there is not such a clear distinction between psychological and physiological diseases? > There are no randomized studies, that control for factors, like the aforementioned psychological distress [...] here are a host of potential confounding factors [...] It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. > Notice how extreme rigor is demanded ivermectin studies [...] scare mongering conclusions [...] I'm even more confused - who is demanding and scare mongering?
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety. The same applies to psychological symptoms, like anxiety itself, which is the most commonly reported 'long-COVID' symptom. >>It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. In what sense?
  - theGeatZhopa 5y ago
    Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs. This minimize the volume of the "sponge" lung and in the end reduces the ability to do that gas exchange. Also, it seems COVID is not a respiratory disease but Rather a blood vessel disease. Your lungs have a lot of capillary blood vessels that, when get attacked by spike of the virus just get thrombosed out of the system by our defense. The bloods gas/exchange stops functioning properly. That damage sometimes never reverts. That's why the people can't breathe properly after infection. And that causes stress. Not the other way around. Also if one have been in needed for artificial rebreathening, alone that, blowing in pressurized air into lungs of exactly 1 bar or something, is a damage by itself. So that's why people can't breathe persistently for a long time. It's not psychology :) it's damage and scars everywhere in the substance.