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your air travel could be significantly optimized with TSA Precheck ($20year) and Clear ($120/year) to effectively eliminate security headaches

by lddemi 5y ago

samstave 5y ago
And into what little database are my deets being entered for eternity by using either of these options, and to whom does the visibility to this data go?
- TigeriusKirk 5y ago
  Your deets are going in a little database every time you buy a train ticket.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    Can you not buy anonymous tickets, for example at a counter in the station or from a machine? There are still enough machines that take cash that this is a practical option in most of Europe. Buying a ticket in advance works, but requires a trip to the station.
- iso1210 5y ago
  Presumably the same database your details go in anyway, just with less security theatre.
  - Scoundreller 5y ago
    Yeah, we can’t make it look like we’re relaxing security, but if we charge you an application, sit on it, and make felons lives worse, that’s cool.
    - sokoloff 5y ago
      Looking over the felonies for which TSA PreCheck is unavailable, it doesn’t appear to a thoughtlessly compiled make-felons-suffer list: https://www.tsa.gov/disqualifying-offenses-factors https://www.tsa.gov/disqualifying-offenses-factors
      - Kye 5y ago
        I can see it for Part C, but why A and B? If someone's been charged and done whatever was required to be free enough that they can fly, then that should be the end of it. Especially things on that list. If treason isn't enough for the government to execute them or lock them up and throw away the key, then it shouldn't matter to the TSA.
        sokoloff 5y ago
        If you can’t see how felony conviction for having illegal explosives might reasonably preclude you from reduced security screening, I’m not sure anything I can say will convince you.
        Kye 5y ago
        If you can't see how the government continuing to treat someone like a criminal after they've paid their debt to society is wrong, I'm not sure anything I can say will convince you.
        sokoloff 5y ago
        Are they being treated like a criminal in this case? Or are they merely being treated as requiring standard (not reduced) security screening? I’m far more concerned where felons are denied the right to vote or to bear arms than I am with them having to stand in the same security line as most people.
        Kye 5y ago
        I'm against the TSA and its security theater on principle. Any gradient to the offense of its existence just adds insult to injury.
        iso1210 5y ago
        So you should have a situation where someone who hasn't been caught with illegal explosives can pay some money and take those explosives on a plane? That sounds sensible.
standardUser 5y ago
Getting to/from the airport is the much larger headache than security in a lot of places, especially in NYC. Even if you're willing to pay $50-$100 each way for a car, it's not always easy to get a car and it's a long drive. It takes almost no time for Manhattanites to get to a train and costs virtually nothing.
fruffy 5y ago
Why would you pay extra and deal with the additional headache of being screened/having to enter your private data if you could just take the more convenient and largely anonymous train for under a $100? A train where you are not squeezed into the seat like a sardine? I am personally also really uncomfortable with the notion that you have to pay an additional convenience fee just to have a mildly more pleasant travel experience. Coach class should not mean that you are cattle.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  People in coach can still use PreCheck. Work only pays for economy tickets, so I can tell you PreCheck still works fine. Also, FYI there are two price levels for TSA screening. One is the TSA PreCheck, the other is the 9/11 security fee everyone has to pay. A universal PreCheck would probably mean increasing the security fee.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
Clear is one step too far to paying for freedom. Global entry money at least goes to one gang I already pay protection money to, the government. Clear is a non government gang that somehow got the ability to get paid in exchange for giving people more freedom.
- bitwize 5y ago
  That's how America has always worked, though: freedom is an asset you buy with money. They're just saying the quiet part out loud now.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    When you buy it from the government, at least there is a veneer of it having come from democratically elected leaders and going back to a pot of resources that are democratically spent. As in there was zero reason for the government to give Clear a cut of the money, other than outright corruption. They already have the department of homeland security.

your air travel could be significantly optimized with TSA Precheck ($20year) and Clear ($120/year) to effectively eliminate security headaches

by lddemi 5y ago

your air travel could be significantly optimized with TSA Precheck ($20year) and Clear ($120/year) to effectively eliminate security headaches

samstave 5y ago

And into what little database are my deets being entered for eternity by using either of these options, and to whom does the visibility to this data go?

TigeriusKirk 5y ago
Your deets are going in a little database every time you buy a train ticket.
- Symbiote 5y ago
  Can you not buy anonymous tickets, for example at a counter in the station or from a machine? There are still enough machines that take cash that this is a practical option in most of Europe. Buying a ticket in advance works, but requires a trip to the station.
iso1210 5y ago
Presumably the same database your details go in anyway, just with less security theatre.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  Yeah, we can’t make it look like we’re relaxing security, but if we charge you an application, sit on it, and make felons lives worse, that’s cool.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    Looking over the felonies for which TSA PreCheck is unavailable, it doesn’t appear to a thoughtlessly compiled make-felons-suffer list: https://www.tsa.gov/disqualifying-offenses-factors https://www.tsa.gov/disqualifying-offenses-factors
    - Kye 5y ago
      I can see it for Part C, but why A and B? If someone's been charged and done whatever was required to be free enough that they can fly, then that should be the end of it. Especially things on that list. If treason isn't enough for the government to execute them or lock them up and throw away the key, then it shouldn't matter to the TSA.
      - sokoloff 5y ago
        If you can’t see how felony conviction for having illegal explosives might reasonably preclude you from reduced security screening, I’m not sure anything I can say will convince you.
        Kye 5y ago
        If you can't see how the government continuing to treat someone like a criminal after they've paid their debt to society is wrong, I'm not sure anything I can say will convince you.
        sokoloff 5y ago
        Are they being treated like a criminal in this case? Or are they merely being treated as requiring standard (not reduced) security screening? I’m far more concerned where felons are denied the right to vote or to bear arms than I am with them having to stand in the same security line as most people.
        Kye 5y ago
        I'm against the TSA and its security theater on principle. Any gradient to the offense of its existence just adds insult to injury.
        iso1210 5y ago
        So you should have a situation where someone who hasn't been caught with illegal explosives can pay some money and take those explosives on a plane? That sounds sensible.

standardUser 5y ago

Getting to/from the airport is the much larger headache than security in a lot of places, especially in NYC. Even if you're willing to pay $50-$100 each way for a car, it's not always easy to get a car and it's a long drive. It takes almost no time for Manhattanites to get to a train and costs virtually nothing.

fruffy 5y ago

Why would you pay extra and deal with the additional headache of being screened/having to enter your private data if you could just take the more convenient and largely anonymous train for under a $100? A train where you are not squeezed into the seat like a sardine? I am personally also really uncomfortable with the notion that you have to pay an additional convenience fee just to have a mildly more pleasant travel experience. Coach class should not mean that you are cattle.

jdavis703 5y ago
People in coach can still use PreCheck. Work only pays for economy tickets, so I can tell you PreCheck still works fine. Also, FYI there are two price levels for TSA screening. One is the TSA PreCheck, the other is the 9/11 security fee everyone has to pay. A universal PreCheck would probably mean increasing the security fee.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

Clear is one step too far to paying for freedom. Global entry money at least goes to one gang I already pay protection money to, the government. Clear is a non government gang that somehow got the ability to get paid in exchange for giving people more freedom.

bitwize 5y ago
That's how America has always worked, though: freedom is an asset you buy with money. They're just saying the quiet part out loud now.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  When you buy it from the government, at least there is a veneer of it having come from democratically elected leaders and going back to a pot of resources that are democratically spent. As in there was zero reason for the government to give Clear a cut of the money, other than outright corruption. They already have the department of homeland security.