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Well, I'll take the bait. Personally I never understood how political views on border security were anti-correlated with the belief climate change will affect f
by throwaway803453 5y ago
Well, I'll take the bait. Personally I never understood how political views on border security were anti-correlated with the belief climate change will affect food and water security.
I recently purchased a SoCal property that is 400ft from the ocean despite knowing about sea level rise, but it's also just an 8hour walk to Mexico. Doubtful I would have purchased it if we didn't have a border wall in Tijuana as I am not bullish on things getting better in Central America in the next 2 decades due to climate change. But I am fairly confident that the rising sea level will not be a problem for this property (it's 2.2meters above sea level) in the next 2 decades at least according to the IPCC and NOAA predictions. Although a bad El Nino could strike any year so who knows.
- thehappypm 5y agoAre you worried about a tsunami? I wouldn’t want to be that close to the ocean in earthquake land.
- setpatchaddress 5y agoGenuinely curious: what is your actual, concrete security concern with not having a border wall? What do you perveive that to actually protect you, personally, from?
- throwaway803453 5y agoMy bad, I shouldn't have taken the bait. What could I possibly add to a conversation about security that you couldn't do on your own as a simple thought experiment.
- eloff 5y agoOne need look no further than the recent refugee crises in Europe to see what could easily result without strong border security. We are talking of a future where that level of mass migration will seem like small potatoes. A wall being merely one part of a secure border, by itself it would do little.
- nradov 5y agoWhat are the means by which we could secure the border? Some parts of the border have had physical walls for decades but they don't seem to be very effective. People go over, under, around, or through.
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- Stupulous 5y agoI have never understood the rejection of walls as an effective means of preventing access. Ladders, tunnels, battering rams, and 'going around' have all existed for millenia, but we've kept on building walls the whole time. How could the whole world be deluded about that for so long? If you enter your bank password over unsecured public wifi, someone there could steal it. But my advice to someone who does banking in a wifi cafe would not be "don't use a password at all, it does nothing for you". Or am I missing something?
- nradov 5y agoAll banks use HTTPS so there is no real risk that someone will steal your password over unsecured wifi. Border walls can only prevent access if there are actual guards and sensors monitoring the wall and responding when people attempt to go over, under, or through. That would be extremely expensive. Is it a good use of public funds?
- eloff 5y agoWhat's the alternative, give up on border control? How fair is it that people from India wait 20 years for a green card for following the rules while others just walk across illegally? I don't understand the seeming position by some on the left that there's no need for border security.
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- ASalazarMX 5y agoI didn't intend my comment to be bait, I think I was more worried about local problems. My state announced that it will ration water (restrict it part of the day) starting January. This has happened before, in the 80s, and was solved then with the construction of dams.