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I will add more of the quote. The author was talking to his son, who was feeling unmotivated about going to college because the world was ending soon. The auth

I will add more of the quote. The author was talking to his son, who was feeling unmotivated about going to college because the world was ending soon. The author's reply was the section I quoted.

krageon 5y ago
Within this context it reads as a father instructing his child about the importance of learning so they can recognise opportunity when it arises. Is it culty because of the dome?
- disneygibson 5y ago
  The exact same conversation could be had at an obscure religious cult ranch in the middle of the desert. Remember, these people are completely serious. “Dad, I’m depressed and unmotivated about going to college.” “Son, the world is ending in the near future in sci-fi fashion and I want to make sure you survive in the dome.” No matter how bad climate change is, I can assure you, we won’t be living in a dome to escape the hellscape in 20 years. People who believe this are exhibiting cultish behavior.
  - rini17 5y ago
    Do you have anything to support the assurance? If we have to spend whole lives indoors with A/C and CO2 scrubbers that is practically as bad as the domes. (It is likely that elevated CO2 levels will harm human cognition, it isn't widely known probably because it's too depressing. There are counterarguments like "oh that happens only above 1000ppm we're far from that" but they're based only on short-term experiments.)
    - disneygibson 5y ago
      Do you honestly believe that everyone will spend their lives inside an air conditioned room and with CO2 scrubbers? My assurance is reality. Reality isn’t a science fiction novel. Interestingly you only get these absurd predictions from a very narrow group of people, which lines up quite well with what my original comment said. It’s a religious movement, not an accurate assessment of climate science.
      - rini17 5y ago
        The reality is that worldwide CO2 production isn't going to decline anytime soon. What's absurd about predicting that? And if it's only agenda of narrow group of people, where are the majority voices supported by research?
        disneygibson 5y ago
        Because absolutely no climate science says that increased CO2 in the next twenty years will lead to humans living entirely inside with AC’d units? Again, this is basic science. The real effects of climate change will be difficult enough. We don’t need to waste energy on inventing fantastical ones.
        rini17 5y ago
        Dismissing everything you don't like as fantasies is the surest way to eventual harm. https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/continued-CO2-emissions-will-impair-cognition-Penn-Boulder-study https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/continued-CO2-emissions-wil... Combine this with wetbulb temperatures which force everyone to stay in airconditioned indoors for weeks or months in large part of world (this too is supported by climate science). Fantasies? I hope so but expect the worst.
        disneygibson 5y ago
        You’ve moved the goal posts about five times now. First it was our entire lives indoors. Now it’s just a few months a year in some parts of the world. First it was in the next 20 years. Now it’s by the end of the century. A single study that predicts brain damage from CO2 “by the end of the century” is pure speculation at this point. The link you shared even says it’s still very unclear what the effect is. I’ll say it again; the actual science says that climate change is a serious problem. It doesn’t say that we are headed into the apocalypse in the next decade.
        rini17 5y ago
  - krageon 5y ago
    The "fi" part in "sci-fi" stands for "fiction". While it could be said that we're not sure about precisely how the world is ending, we can certainly make some projections. Making sure your children can survive even a pessimistic projection isn't necessarily cultish behaviour, especially if it's based on evidence-based modeling (whether or not this specific example is I cannot say, I'm not terribly interested in finding out what fresh hell the future has planned for me. Reality as it is is bad enough).
    - disneygibson 5y ago
      My complaint is that the author has forgotten what fiction is and seems to think it correlates to reality.
  - dennis_moore 5y ago
    What are you talking about? I'm sure he's being metaphorical.

I will add more of the quote. The author was talking to his son, who was feeling unmotivated about going to college because the world was ending soon. The author's reply was the section I quoted.

krageon 5y ago

Within this context it reads as a father instructing his child about the importance of learning so they can recognise opportunity when it arises. Is it culty because of the dome?

disneygibson 5y ago
The exact same conversation could be had at an obscure religious cult ranch in the middle of the desert. Remember, these people are completely serious. “Dad, I’m depressed and unmotivated about going to college.” “Son, the world is ending in the near future in sci-fi fashion and I want to make sure you survive in the dome.” No matter how bad climate change is, I can assure you, we won’t be living in a dome to escape the hellscape in 20 years. People who believe this are exhibiting cultish behavior.
- rini17 5y ago
  Do you have anything to support the assurance? If we have to spend whole lives indoors with A/C and CO2 scrubbers that is practically as bad as the domes. (It is likely that elevated CO2 levels will harm human cognition, it isn't widely known probably because it's too depressing. There are counterarguments like "oh that happens only above 1000ppm we're far from that" but they're based only on short-term experiments.)
  - disneygibson 5y ago
    Do you honestly believe that everyone will spend their lives inside an air conditioned room and with CO2 scrubbers? My assurance is reality. Reality isn’t a science fiction novel. Interestingly you only get these absurd predictions from a very narrow group of people, which lines up quite well with what my original comment said. It’s a religious movement, not an accurate assessment of climate science.
    - rini17 5y ago
      The reality is that worldwide CO2 production isn't going to decline anytime soon. What's absurd about predicting that? And if it's only agenda of narrow group of people, where are the majority voices supported by research?
      - disneygibson 5y ago
        Because absolutely no climate science says that increased CO2 in the next twenty years will lead to humans living entirely inside with AC’d units? Again, this is basic science. The real effects of climate change will be difficult enough. We don’t need to waste energy on inventing fantastical ones.
        rini17 5y ago
        Dismissing everything you don't like as fantasies is the surest way to eventual harm. https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/continued-CO2-emissions-will-impair-cognition-Penn-Boulder-study https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/continued-CO2-emissions-wil... Combine this with wetbulb temperatures which force everyone to stay in airconditioned indoors for weeks or months in large part of world (this too is supported by climate science). Fantasies? I hope so but expect the worst.
        disneygibson 5y ago
        You’ve moved the goal posts about five times now. First it was our entire lives indoors. Now it’s just a few months a year in some parts of the world. First it was in the next 20 years. Now it’s by the end of the century. A single study that predicts brain damage from CO2 “by the end of the century” is pure speculation at this point. The link you shared even says it’s still very unclear what the effect is. I’ll say it again; the actual science says that climate change is a serious problem. It doesn’t say that we are headed into the apocalypse in the next decade.
        rini17 5y ago
- krageon 5y ago
  The "fi" part in "sci-fi" stands for "fiction". While it could be said that we're not sure about precisely how the world is ending, we can certainly make some projections. Making sure your children can survive even a pessimistic projection isn't necessarily cultish behaviour, especially if it's based on evidence-based modeling (whether or not this specific example is I cannot say, I'm not terribly interested in finding out what fresh hell the future has planned for me. Reality as it is is bad enough).
  - disneygibson 5y ago
    My complaint is that the author has forgotten what fiction is and seems to think it correlates to reality.
- dennis_moore 5y ago
  What are you talking about? I'm sure he's being metaphorical.