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Surely it's selling presidential favours? The whole Hunter art work stuff is ridiculously dubious... And yes, equal concern for any president. Trump largely

Surely it's selling presidential favours? The whole Hunter art work stuff is ridiculously dubious... And yes, equal concern for any president. Trump largely cared mostly about stuffing his pockets full of money.

wernercd 5y ago
"trump largely cared" and biden gets a cut from his family making millions on his name while he destroys America.. how is he not about "stuffing his pockets"?
- pstuart 5y ago
  I missed the part where America got destroyed by this. Could you clue me in?
  - wernercd 5y ago
    * Afghanistan pull out: Disaster. Many Americans STILL trapped in Afghanistan while Biden looks like cornholio on national TV https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 * 100+ days of crisis at the border. No law and order. No enforcement of law. Massive crisis that didn't exist on Jan 5th. https://apnews.com/article/business-economy-prices-inflation-producer-prices-fe20d58f22a9780ec188a85a4a88cff0 https://apnews.com/article/business-economy-prices-inflation... * Massive inflation under way. Unseen failure from the top * Supply chain collapsing by corruption, shit laws and mandates https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-why-our-government-covering-ccp-wuhan https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-w... * Fauci has been undeniably shown the liar we all knew he was before. Corrupt POS with funding lies and experimentation on animals. https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merrick-garland-fbi-critical-race-theory-parents-schools-domestic-terrorists/ https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merrick-garland-fbi-critica... * FBI ignores violence across America and instead goes after "domestic terrorists"... aka parents who don't blindly obey the gestapo tactics. I could go on about the number of scandals, corruption and dumpster fire issues... but the collapsing poll numbers and cries of Lets Go Brandon speak it more than I ever could. And I didn't say America was destroyed... I said Biden was in the process of destroying - and the above scandals as a starting point... they show an inept or corrupt plan that is in effect destroying America as we speak. Lets Go Brandon.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Let's calm down, m'kay? First and foremost, there's a reason why political discussion is not welcomed here, as it gets ugly really fast. You made a simple point and I wanted to clarify it: > biden gets a cut from his family making millions on his name I'm not aware how Biden Sr. is cashing in on his son's "work". Please note that I'm not contesting the fact that his son's role was some degree of corruption, but I haven't seen compelling evidence that the money was flowing back to his dad. Please stay on topic.
      - wernercd 5y ago
        "stay on topic" first it's "I missed America being destroyed" now it's "biden gets a cut?" Hard to stay on topic with you moving the goal posts... Can we get an itinerary so I know where the goal posts are going to be? That way we can try to synchronize what "on topic is" since it apparently changes from one post to the next with you...
pstuart 5y ago
My take on the Hunter Biden affair -- low level, old school, genteel corruption. Akin to the corruption that political "donations" bring. Disclaimer, I voted for Biden but am willing to call out his failures at any time. The reason why I'm ok with "censoring" the Hunter stories at that time is that it was purely whataboutism and a distraction. Just like with the buttery males, it was never about the professed concerns, it was about making them look bad. If this issue (and others like it) could be discussed in a non partisan way I'd be all for it, but it's not. This hand wringing is insincere at best and should be ignored. I've yet to see anything that indicates these concerned citizens care about principles rather than tribal politics. Happy to be proven wrong, but not holding my breath.
- barbacoa 5y ago
  The whole central claim that started this was the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services". If it's true that foreign interests were bribing the vice president of the USA though payments to his son in order to change American policy then that is indeed a staggering level of corruption. For comparison the president of South Korea was sentenced to 20 years in prison for a comparable scheme.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Yes, that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fac... Even if there was truth to it (I do think a genteel corruption was in play but not to this extent), these arguments are being made in bad faith. There's no concern for actual corruption as they don't seem to care when it happens in any other context -- it's just "gotcha" politics. US foreign policy in its very nature is corrupt (it's the lobbying arm of big business). Let's shine a light on it but that light needs to be colorblind to red and blue. Without recognition of the corruption of the previous administration this dialog is simply partisan pandering. I'd be more than happy to share my criticisms for the administration and its party (including this aforementioned corruption) but if your concern does not cross party lines then it's no concern of mine.

wernercd 5y ago

"trump largely cared" and biden gets a cut from his family making millions on his name while he destroys America.. how is he not about "stuffing his pockets"?

pstuart 5y ago
I missed the part where America got destroyed by this. Could you clue me in?
- wernercd 5y ago
  * Afghanistan pull out: Disaster. Many Americans STILL trapped in Afghanistan while Biden looks like cornholio on national TV https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 * 100+ days of crisis at the border. No law and order. No enforcement of law. Massive crisis that didn't exist on Jan 5th. https://apnews.com/article/business-economy-prices-inflation-producer-prices-fe20d58f22a9780ec188a85a4a88cff0 https://apnews.com/article/business-economy-prices-inflation... * Massive inflation under way. Unseen failure from the top * Supply chain collapsing by corruption, shit laws and mandates https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-why-our-government-covering-ccp-wuhan https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-w... * Fauci has been undeniably shown the liar we all knew he was before. Corrupt POS with funding lies and experimentation on animals. https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merrick-garland-fbi-critical-race-theory-parents-schools-domestic-terrorists/ https://reason.com/2021/10/06/ag-merrick-garland-fbi-critica... * FBI ignores violence across America and instead goes after "domestic terrorists"... aka parents who don't blindly obey the gestapo tactics. I could go on about the number of scandals, corruption and dumpster fire issues... but the collapsing poll numbers and cries of Lets Go Brandon speak it more than I ever could. And I didn't say America was destroyed... I said Biden was in the process of destroying - and the above scandals as a starting point... they show an inept or corrupt plan that is in effect destroying America as we speak. Lets Go Brandon.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Let's calm down, m'kay? First and foremost, there's a reason why political discussion is not welcomed here, as it gets ugly really fast. You made a simple point and I wanted to clarify it: > biden gets a cut from his family making millions on his name I'm not aware how Biden Sr. is cashing in on his son's "work". Please note that I'm not contesting the fact that his son's role was some degree of corruption, but I haven't seen compelling evidence that the money was flowing back to his dad. Please stay on topic.
    - wernercd 5y ago
      "stay on topic" first it's "I missed America being destroyed" now it's "biden gets a cut?" Hard to stay on topic with you moving the goal posts... Can we get an itinerary so I know where the goal posts are going to be? That way we can try to synchronize what "on topic is" since it apparently changes from one post to the next with you...

pstuart 5y ago

My take on the Hunter Biden affair -- low level, old school, genteel corruption. Akin to the corruption that political "donations" bring. Disclaimer, I voted for Biden but am willing to call out his failures at any time. The reason why I'm ok with "censoring" the Hunter stories at that time is that it was purely whataboutism and a distraction. Just like with the buttery males, it was never about the professed concerns, it was about making them look bad. If this issue (and others like it) could be discussed in a non partisan way I'd be all for it, but it's not. This hand wringing is insincere at best and should be ignored. I've yet to see anything that indicates these concerned citizens care about principles rather than tribal politics. Happy to be proven wrong, but not holding my breath.

barbacoa 5y ago
The whole central claim that started this was the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services". If it's true that foreign interests were bribing the vice president of the USA though payments to his son in order to change American policy then that is indeed a staggering level of corruption. For comparison the president of South Korea was sentenced to 20 years in prison for a comparable scheme.
- pstuart 5y ago
  Yes, that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fac... Even if there was truth to it (I do think a genteel corruption was in play but not to this extent), these arguments are being made in bad faith. There's no concern for actual corruption as they don't seem to care when it happens in any other context -- it's just "gotcha" politics. US foreign policy in its very nature is corrupt (it's the lobbying arm of big business). Let's shine a light on it but that light needs to be colorblind to red and blue. Without recognition of the corruption of the previous administration this dialog is simply partisan pandering. I'd be more than happy to share my criticisms for the administration and its party (including this aforementioned corruption) but if your concern does not cross party lines then it's no concern of mine.