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As an Australian, I can definitely say I'm not complacent. The rise of all this surveillance here certainly unnerves me, and has definitely helped hasten my wan

As an Australian, I can definitely say I'm not complacent. The rise of all this surveillance here certainly unnerves me, and has definitely helped hasten my want to emmigrate ASAP.

ntSean 5y ago
You would immigrate to where exactly?
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  I have come to a similar conclusion. Where the fuck am I supposed to go? Everywhere has problems, shit laws, and social issues.
  - Tomis02 5y ago
    I don't mean to offend you but this is very funny. Immigrants from 3rd world countries are often told "why don't you stay at home and fix your own country?" Well, I guess we've come full circle, it's bad everywhere.
    - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
      No I agree with you, i take no offence. I see the irony here completely. Especially given Australia's absolutely draconian laws and treatment of asylum seekers.
- spikepuppet 5y ago
  Good point, though anywhere where a powers haven't been given to law enforcement agencies to modify data would be good. And even more so and people are happy to just let it happen.
pedalpete 5y ago
This is unfortunate. I immigrated to Australia 10 years ago, and when I arrived, I was shocked by the level of acceptance of surveillance and even the police rights to search. I'm not an Australian citizen, but I make sure the Australians I know are aware that it isn't like this everywhere around the world. If you don't like it, it's better to try to change it or bring awareness than just leave.
- nickcox 5y ago
  > I was shocked by the level of acceptance of surveillance and even the police rights to search It's not even just the police - the goons on the doors of JB Hi-Fi will demand to root through your bags on your way out of the shop. Nobody even seems to question it.
  - pedalpete 5y ago
    Yup, that's why I stopped buying from any store that does that, which forced many of my purchases online. It's why I like the story of how Fry's Electronics, which had a similar practice in the US, was taken for $65M by one of their executives. They were guarding every penny and treating every customer like a thief while one of their own walked out the back door with millions. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/frys-electronics-executive-accused-of-embezzling-65-million/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/frys-electronics-execu...
  - selcuka 5y ago
    To be fair this policy is usually stated as a condition of entry, which I believe is fair for a private company.
- spikepuppet 5y ago
  Honestly, at this stage it feels like a losing battle. I try and raise awareness amongst friends and people I can talk too, and no one seems to care. It's making leaving seem more and more a viable option.

As an Australian, I can definitely say I'm not complacent. The rise of all this surveillance here certainly unnerves me, and has definitely helped hasten my want to emmigrate ASAP.

ntSean 5y ago

You would immigrate to where exactly?

0xdeadb00f 5y ago
I have come to a similar conclusion. Where the fuck am I supposed to go? Everywhere has problems, shit laws, and social issues.
- Tomis02 5y ago
  I don't mean to offend you but this is very funny. Immigrants from 3rd world countries are often told "why don't you stay at home and fix your own country?" Well, I guess we've come full circle, it's bad everywhere.
  - 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
    No I agree with you, i take no offence. I see the irony here completely. Especially given Australia's absolutely draconian laws and treatment of asylum seekers.
spikepuppet 5y ago
Good point, though anywhere where a powers haven't been given to law enforcement agencies to modify data would be good. And even more so and people are happy to just let it happen.

pedalpete 5y ago

This is unfortunate. I immigrated to Australia 10 years ago, and when I arrived, I was shocked by the level of acceptance of surveillance and even the police rights to search. I'm not an Australian citizen, but I make sure the Australians I know are aware that it isn't like this everywhere around the world. If you don't like it, it's better to try to change it or bring awareness than just leave.

nickcox 5y ago
> I was shocked by the level of acceptance of surveillance and even the police rights to search It's not even just the police - the goons on the doors of JB Hi-Fi will demand to root through your bags on your way out of the shop. Nobody even seems to question it.
- pedalpete 5y ago
  Yup, that's why I stopped buying from any store that does that, which forced many of my purchases online. It's why I like the story of how Fry's Electronics, which had a similar practice in the US, was taken for $65M by one of their executives. They were guarding every penny and treating every customer like a thief while one of their own walked out the back door with millions. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/frys-electronics-executive-accused-of-embezzling-65-million/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/frys-electronics-execu...
- selcuka 5y ago
  To be fair this policy is usually stated as a condition of entry, which I believe is fair for a private company.
spikepuppet 5y ago
Honestly, at this stage it feels like a losing battle. I try and raise awareness amongst friends and people I can talk too, and no one seems to care. It's making leaving seem more and more a viable option.