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From what I understand, Huawei got "ahead" in 5G by stealing Nortel's IP and running it into ground by the way of spycraft.

signa11 5y ago
and csco too.
hutzlibu 5y ago
That they copied IP, no doubt, but "running it into ground by the way of spycraft" I would like some sources?
- rizpanjwani 5y ago
  https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-dow...
est 5y ago
Nortel is a Canadian company. Does this mean it belongs to America's 5G portfolio?
LatteLazy 5y ago
You can't get ahead by copying, you can only get to the same level. So how did they get ahead?
- SSLy 5y ago
  Leeching off other competitors.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    Again, you cannot be the market leader by following others.
    - naasking 5y ago
      You can if you skip steps and/or invest more when starting from the same point, like say, if your corporations are backed by the state.
      - LatteLazy 5y ago
        Not really. You still have to do that last step, the one that gets you ahead, yourself. Thats the step we're talking about. There is a very real issue here imho, for the Anglo-sphere (the EU seems much better at this, full disclosure, im a brit but i think the us and uk are the ssme in this). We don't invest and increasingly we're not competitive. Cisco dropped the ball, Huawei picked it up. Maybe every previous step was stolen, but that's the step that have given Huawei their success. They have an advantage because no one else is making a comparable product. As long as we just complain and blindly insist the chinese are cheating, we won't address the actual issues that are really holding us back. The chinese are investing in education? Maybe we should. The chinese force their companies to take a view past the next quarter profit report? Maybe we should. If whatever their advantage is, its not stealing (not anymore at least) and until we address it, we will be whining and they will be winning.
sschueller 5y ago
Steve Jobs famously said a good artist copies, but a great artist steals.

signa11 5y ago

and csco too.

hutzlibu 5y ago

That they copied IP, no doubt, but "running it into ground by the way of spycraft" I would like some sources?

rizpanjwani 5y ago
https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-dow...

est 5y ago

Nortel is a Canadian company. Does this mean it belongs to America's 5G portfolio?

LatteLazy 5y ago

You can't get ahead by copying, you can only get to the same level. So how did they get ahead?

SSLy 5y ago
Leeching off other competitors.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  Again, you cannot be the market leader by following others.
  - naasking 5y ago
    You can if you skip steps and/or invest more when starting from the same point, like say, if your corporations are backed by the state.
    - LatteLazy 5y ago
      Not really. You still have to do that last step, the one that gets you ahead, yourself. Thats the step we're talking about. There is a very real issue here imho, for the Anglo-sphere (the EU seems much better at this, full disclosure, im a brit but i think the us and uk are the ssme in this). We don't invest and increasingly we're not competitive. Cisco dropped the ball, Huawei picked it up. Maybe every previous step was stolen, but that's the step that have given Huawei their success. They have an advantage because no one else is making a comparable product. As long as we just complain and blindly insist the chinese are cheating, we won't address the actual issues that are really holding us back. The chinese are investing in education? Maybe we should. The chinese force their companies to take a view past the next quarter profit report? Maybe we should. If whatever their advantage is, its not stealing (not anymore at least) and until we address it, we will be whining and they will be winning.

sschueller 5y ago

Steve Jobs famously said a good artist copies, but a great artist steals.