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Basically, beneficial environments are anything but guaranteed. Plus, quiet is an underappreciated luxury good (and an underappreciated aspect of public librari

by tbihl 5y ago

Basically, beneficial environments are anything but guaranteed. Plus, quiet is an underappreciated luxury good (and an underappreciated aspect of public libraries); seriously, poverty is so loud.

beckman466 5y ago
> quiet is an underappreciated luxury good (and an underappreciated aspect of public libraries); seriously, poverty is so loud. this is one of the most compassionate things i've read today. thank you
- geebee 5y ago
  Agreed, thank you for this. I think we should do more to defend quiet spaces.I work for a library, and much of the emphasis is on creating "collaborative" spaces. Those are important too, and I fully understand the irritation librarians have with the "shhhhh!" meme. But public silent spaces are rare, and may be a truly under appreciated resource by people who have the means to access quite private spaces.
  - beckman466 5y ago
    The compassionate part I was talking about was the acknowledgement that kids today don't have the equal opportunities in schools that many claim they do. Environmental context (rich family or not) matters. "quiet is a luxury good" + "seriously, poverty is so loud" Having said that, I do agree with your point about the need for quiet spaces.
tombert 5y ago
Agreed. When I started doing online school, I figured I would work on my bed, next to my wife, and have the TV on playing "King of the Hill" or something else I've seen a million times and thus could tune out. That was definitely not the case; I found that trying this just made me worse at studying and worse at watching TV. Eventually I cleaned my basement (which I'm lucky to have), put a desk down there, and made that my "don't bother Tom cuz he's studying" zone, and it was much easier as a result. I cannot imagine that I would have completed school if I were living in a one-bedroom apartment.
fighterpilot 5y ago
Which is a reason why we need more aggressive laws around noise pollution. Leaf blowers, excessively loud motorcycles and cars and potentially purely cosmetic renovations in dense areas should be illegal or heavily taxed. What gives anyone the right to spike my cortisol and raise my risk of dementia and other negative health outcomes just so they can exercise their stylistic preferences when quieter substitutes exist?

by tbihl 5y ago

Basically, beneficial environments are anything but guaranteed. Plus, quiet is an underappreciated luxury good (and an underappreciated aspect of public libraries); seriously, poverty is so loud.

beckman466 5y ago

> quiet is an underappreciated luxury good (and an underappreciated aspect of public libraries); seriously, poverty is so loud. this is one of the most compassionate things i've read today. thank you

geebee 5y ago
Agreed, thank you for this. I think we should do more to defend quiet spaces.I work for a library, and much of the emphasis is on creating "collaborative" spaces. Those are important too, and I fully understand the irritation librarians have with the "shhhhh!" meme. But public silent spaces are rare, and may be a truly under appreciated resource by people who have the means to access quite private spaces.
- beckman466 5y ago
  The compassionate part I was talking about was the acknowledgement that kids today don't have the equal opportunities in schools that many claim they do. Environmental context (rich family or not) matters. "quiet is a luxury good" + "seriously, poverty is so loud" Having said that, I do agree with your point about the need for quiet spaces.

tombert 5y ago

Agreed. When I started doing online school, I figured I would work on my bed, next to my wife, and have the TV on playing "King of the Hill" or something else I've seen a million times and thus could tune out. That was definitely not the case; I found that trying this just made me worse at studying and worse at watching TV. Eventually I cleaned my basement (which I'm lucky to have), put a desk down there, and made that my "don't bother Tom cuz he's studying" zone, and it was much easier as a result. I cannot imagine that I would have completed school if I were living in a one-bedroom apartment.

fighterpilot 5y ago

Which is a reason why we need more aggressive laws around noise pollution. Leaf blowers, excessively loud motorcycles and cars and potentially purely cosmetic renovations in dense areas should be illegal or heavily taxed. What gives anyone the right to spike my cortisol and raise my risk of dementia and other negative health outcomes just so they can exercise their stylistic preferences when quieter substitutes exist?