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With this, the idea that Epstein was suicided is not so far fetched.

newbamboo 5y ago
Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. It’s just that nobody knows for certain who did it. You can rule out certain nations but was it Clinton, Gates Dershowitz? We’ll never know.
- cbHXBY1D 5y ago
  I doubt the people you listed would have the ability to pull it off. Intelligence agencies like the CIA or Mossad could though. I think the secret to understanding Epstein is staring us in the face: Epstein was an intelligence asset. He himself bragged for years to be in intelligence [1], Alex Acosta was told to give him a lenient plea deal because he was "owned by intelligence" [2], his partner's (Ghislaine Maxwell) father was a Mossad spy [3]. US and Israeli intelligence works together on a lot of things, I wouldn't be surprised if both were his "clients". [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-steven-hoffenberg-intelligence-agencies-spy-1197708/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffre... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecution_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecuti... [3] https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Maxwell-Israels-Superspy-Gordon/dp/0786712953 https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Maxwell-Israels-Superspy-Gordo...
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Compromising people through their sexuality is pretty solid lever for influence. Always has been, always will be. I think Epstein was more or less a high society pimp that got caught, which is rare because in such a position there are many that protect you. Maybe victims were coerced and groomed instead of directly being forced.
- asdff 5y ago
  Oh come on. The guy was going from living in his own personal hedonism for most of his life to a slow death behind bars, and he was already no spring chicken at that point. When faced with a hand like that, I'm surprised more people aren't killing themselves in jail to be honest.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > When faced with a hand like that, I'm surprised more people aren't killing themselves in jail to be honest. There's a reason for suicide watch, and a reason Epstein was previously on it.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. Well that's easily disproved: I think he actually committed suicide. > It’s just that nobody knows for certain who did it. You can rule out certain nations but was it Clinton, Gates Dershowitz? We’ll never know. IMHO, theories to the contrary are most likely just the delusions of conspiracy theorists. And if we're going to talk about conspiracy theories, I'd rather talk about aliens at Area 51 than this garbage.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Well that's easily disproved No, its not. > I think he actually committed suicide. Asserting a non-falsifiable contradiction is not disproof.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      >>> Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. >> Well that's easily disproved > No, its not. A statement "literally nobody thinks" is easily disproved. >> I think he actually committed suicide. > Asserting a non-falsifiable contradiction is not disproof. Providing a counterexample to a statement like that is a disproof, and if I can't testify to my own thoughts to disprove it, then it's just nonsense.

Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. It’s just that nobody knows for certain who did it. You can rule out certain nations but was it Clinton, Gates Dershowitz? We’ll never know.

cbHXBY1D 5y ago
I doubt the people you listed would have the ability to pull it off. Intelligence agencies like the CIA or Mossad could though. I think the secret to understanding Epstein is staring us in the face: Epstein was an intelligence asset. He himself bragged for years to be in intelligence [1], Alex Acosta was told to give him a lenient plea deal because he was "owned by intelligence" [2], his partner's (Ghislaine Maxwell) father was a Mossad spy [3]. US and Israeli intelligence works together on a lot of things, I wouldn't be surprised if both were his "clients". [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-steven-hoffenberg-intelligence-agencies-spy-1197708/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffre... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecution_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta#Non-prosecuti... [3] https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Maxwell-Israels-Superspy-Gordon/dp/0786712953 https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Maxwell-Israels-Superspy-Gordo...
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Compromising people through their sexuality is pretty solid lever for influence. Always has been, always will be. I think Epstein was more or less a high society pimp that got caught, which is rare because in such a position there are many that protect you. Maybe victims were coerced and groomed instead of directly being forced.
asdff 5y ago
Oh come on. The guy was going from living in his own personal hedonism for most of his life to a slow death behind bars, and he was already no spring chicken at that point. When faced with a hand like that, I'm surprised more people aren't killing themselves in jail to be honest.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > When faced with a hand like that, I'm surprised more people aren't killing themselves in jail to be honest. There's a reason for suicide watch, and a reason Epstein was previously on it.
tablespoon 5y ago
> Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. Well that's easily disproved: I think he actually committed suicide. > It’s just that nobody knows for certain who did it. You can rule out certain nations but was it Clinton, Gates Dershowitz? We’ll never know. IMHO, theories to the contrary are most likely just the delusions of conspiracy theorists. And if we're going to talk about conspiracy theories, I'd rather talk about aliens at Area 51 than this garbage.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Well that's easily disproved No, its not. > I think he actually committed suicide. Asserting a non-falsifiable contradiction is not disproof.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    >>> Lol. Literally nobody thinks he actually committed suicide. >> Well that's easily disproved > No, its not. A statement "literally nobody thinks" is easily disproved. >> I think he actually committed suicide. > Asserting a non-falsifiable contradiction is not disproof. Providing a counterexample to a statement like that is a disproof, and if I can't testify to my own thoughts to disprove it, then it's just nonsense.