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If this was done years ago we’d be stuck using micro or even mini usb. I shudder at the thought. Lightning was superior to those two. Under this regulation, Lig

by jsudi 5y ago

If this was done years ago we’d be stuck using micro or even mini usb. I shudder at the thought. Lightning was superior to those two. Under this regulation, Lightning and USB-C couldn’t have happened.

iSnow 5y ago
That's why the EU back then banged the heads of the manufacturers together to force them to come up with a common standard, instead of picking one and forcing it down their throat.
- jsudi 5y ago
  So we’ll be unable to ever improve on usb-c? How’s that good for anybody?
  - iSnow 5y ago
    First off, I am not sure we need to improve on it in the short term. USB-A has existed for ~20y by now on the desktop and is still going strong. If USB-C lives as long, we'll get a break from having to buy different cables for quite some time, which at least is great for /my/ nerves. When I threw away old phone chargers from 1996 and later, it was literally 10 different models. And if USB-C doesn't cut it anymore, who's to say that industry can't move to a different system? EU legislation usually isn't outlandish but follows industry practices. If device manufacturers bring up a pressing need for USB-D, EU will allow both for a transition period and then mandate USB-D (or split up mandatory standards by device class if need be). I don't see how every tiny iteration of a standard has to result in a different plug system - the incentive for companies to iterate plugs just to force consumers to re-buy gear is just too high.
  - zokier 5y ago
    Why do you think it can't be changed to something else in the future?
  - oaiey 5y ago
    See other thread. If the industry wants it, it is highly effective in influencing legislators. It is called lobbyism and typically we complain about it but sometimes it is also good.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  Is that why the standard that USB-C cables use is such a ridiculous mess? >Even the seemingly most basic function of USB-C — powering devices — continues to be a mess of compatibility issues, conflicting proprietary standards, and a general lack of consumer information to guide purchasing decisions. https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/ https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/
  - mclightning 5y ago
    Worst examples of USB-C in that list is better than USB2.0... USB-C is not lacking. You simply get what you paid for. I am using USB-C to charge my laptop, phone, earbuds. It's been amazing having just 1 single cable dangling on my desk, instead of several. This alone has been enough positive to justify the move over to USB-C.
    - nottorp 5y ago
      How much time did you spend on researching what USB-C cable you should buy? :) Also, does it have data? At 2.0 speeds? At 3.1 speeds?
      - mclightning 5y ago
        I know what I should expect if I am paying a cable $5 vs $40. Just because tip of the cable is looking like USB-C, you shouldn't expect it to support HDMI etc. Most people are not looking for full set of USB-C features. Most people are just looking to charge their device. I don't remember last time I wired up my phone to my computer for any data transfer, and I am a nerd who reads HN. Think about the average folk. If we go further, a big chunk of people, don't even use anything like a file manager. In short, biggest reason we have cables around these days is; To Charge Up. That's it.
        Aerroon 5y ago
        Even charging from cable to cable is completely different. But I do not believe at all that regular people do not ever have the need to connect their device to a computer. They might not most of the time, but that one time they do they'll be kicking themselves over it. Also, $40 per cable is completely and utterly ridiculous. That's 5-8% of monthly salary of Bulgaria (EU country) for a short cable.
zokier 5y ago
It was done years ago and that's partially how we got microusb charging to be so common in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

by jsudi 5y ago

iSnow 5y ago

That's why the EU back then banged the heads of the manufacturers together to force them to come up with a common standard, instead of picking one and forcing it down their throat.

jsudi 5y ago
So we’ll be unable to ever improve on usb-c? How’s that good for anybody?
- iSnow 5y ago
  First off, I am not sure we need to improve on it in the short term. USB-A has existed for ~20y by now on the desktop and is still going strong. If USB-C lives as long, we'll get a break from having to buy different cables for quite some time, which at least is great for /my/ nerves. When I threw away old phone chargers from 1996 and later, it was literally 10 different models. And if USB-C doesn't cut it anymore, who's to say that industry can't move to a different system? EU legislation usually isn't outlandish but follows industry practices. If device manufacturers bring up a pressing need for USB-D, EU will allow both for a transition period and then mandate USB-D (or split up mandatory standards by device class if need be). I don't see how every tiny iteration of a standard has to result in a different plug system - the incentive for companies to iterate plugs just to force consumers to re-buy gear is just too high.
- zokier 5y ago
  Why do you think it can't be changed to something else in the future?
- oaiey 5y ago
  See other thread. If the industry wants it, it is highly effective in influencing legislators. It is called lobbyism and typically we complain about it but sometimes it is also good.
Aerroon 5y ago
Is that why the standard that USB-C cables use is such a ridiculous mess? >Even the seemingly most basic function of USB-C — powering devices — continues to be a mess of compatibility issues, conflicting proprietary standards, and a general lack of consumer information to guide purchasing decisions. https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/ https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/
- mclightning 5y ago
  Worst examples of USB-C in that list is better than USB2.0... USB-C is not lacking. You simply get what you paid for. I am using USB-C to charge my laptop, phone, earbuds. It's been amazing having just 1 single cable dangling on my desk, instead of several. This alone has been enough positive to justify the move over to USB-C.
  - nottorp 5y ago
    How much time did you spend on researching what USB-C cable you should buy? :) Also, does it have data? At 2.0 speeds? At 3.1 speeds?
    - mclightning 5y ago
      I know what I should expect if I am paying a cable $5 vs $40. Just because tip of the cable is looking like USB-C, you shouldn't expect it to support HDMI etc. Most people are not looking for full set of USB-C features. Most people are just looking to charge their device. I don't remember last time I wired up my phone to my computer for any data transfer, and I am a nerd who reads HN. Think about the average folk. If we go further, a big chunk of people, don't even use anything like a file manager. In short, biggest reason we have cables around these days is; To Charge Up. That's it.
      - Aerroon 5y ago
        Even charging from cable to cable is completely different. But I do not believe at all that regular people do not ever have the need to connect their device to a computer. They might not most of the time, but that one time they do they'll be kicking themselves over it. Also, $40 per cable is completely and utterly ridiculous. That's 5-8% of monthly salary of Bulgaria (EU country) for a short cable.

zokier 5y ago

It was done years ago and that's partially how we got microusb charging to be so common in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply