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Unfortunately, this is what actual Mozilla developers think about posts like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://www.twitter.com/EmilyKage

Unfortunately, this is what actual Mozilla developers think about posts like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://www.twitter.com/EmilyKager/status/1289308930972278789 https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://www.twitt... It's sad.

chaircher 5y ago
Is there any more context to this? Because the tweet is vague and assuming it's about posts like this seems like a bit of a jump unless you've got further info about it
- 0xFreebie 5y ago
  Here is some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb/firefox_developer_literally_gives_users_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb/firefox_de...
- phatfish 5y ago
  Some corners of the internet got annoyed a women was working as a programmer for Mozilla and took things a bit too far. Turns out it gets dug up by the same haters under every post about Firefox.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    I'm not in that camp. I simply genuinely dislike FF mobile now, when it used to be the best browser available on Android.
    - chaircher 5y ago
      You might have posted on the wrong comment thread? This one was me asking for context for a bad-faith read of a vague tweet
      - tomrod 5y ago
        My concern is that bad tweet message (which, in my opinion, is not a bad faith read) is not poisoned because the tweet author also stirs negativity from (what I assume from your comment) the gamergate crowd.
        chaircher 5y ago
        Is this woman involved in gamergate? I genuinely don't know anything about the tweet author or any of the context which is why I've asked for more info
0xFreebie 5y ago
The way things are going, Firefox will have to drop their rendering engine for Webkit. What they're doing now is unsustainable.
caslon 5y ago
That person doesn't work at Mozilla or on free software at all anymore. It was a bad tweet, but it's past the time to reasonably hold that against Mozilla. Mozilla has a lot of problems, and it would be better to blame them for the problems that are still around rather than a bad tweet from months ago by someone not employed at Mozilla any longer.
- 0xFreebie 5y ago
  Past time? She left in February.
  - caslon 5y ago
    She left near the beginning of the year and we're nearing the end of the year.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      And the changes she was involved in have yet to be rolled back. Long shadows happen when developers have user-hostile attitudes.
      - caslon 5y ago
        It's fine to acknowledge that Firefox for anything but desktop sucks now. I do pretty often, actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26762431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26762431 But complaining about a problem that Mozilla's already gotten rid of is counterproductive at best.
        atatatat 5y ago
        Just don't mind the gap in security on your desktop, then? Or do you disable JS?
ekager 5y ago
Hello that is me. I left almost a year ago. I posted that as a joke after years of abuse and it was directed towards those abusive community members. I had no ill will towards users. In fact, users are why I stayed so long and tried to improve the product. I agree with some of the criticisms in this post. The fact you’re still using me, the most public facing woman on the project, as a scapegoat and target for your frustrations is predictable but sad. In general targeting one dev will not get you anywhere.
- dont__panic 5y ago
  Thanks for all of your hard work on Firefox mobile -- I've read plenty of background about those abusive community members, and I can only sympathize with you. People can be jerks. That being said; responding to them with that (public!) tweet probably only added fuel to the fire, especially since the tweet wasn't clearly directed at only those abusive community members. If I didn't know about your full story and stumbled upon that tweet, I wouldn't come away from it with the best impression of you or Mozilla. I'm not sure this person is necessarily targeting you. Or women in general. It seems to me like they're just frustrated with the product and this tweet is a very easy vent for that frustration. Anyway, hopefully your current role is a little less political than what you dealt with at Mozilla. I definitely wouldn't have lasted as long as you did in that situation!
pcwalton 5y ago
You might consider that when you start bashing the Firefox developers personally, they are much more likely to just stop working on Firefox entirely than to listen to you. Realize that most engineers working at Mozilla are already giving up some amount of money to do so relative to what they could earn at FAANG.

chaircher 5y ago

Is there any more context to this? Because the tweet is vague and assuming it's about posts like this seems like a bit of a jump unless you've got further info about it

0xFreebie 5y ago
Here is some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb/firefox_developer_literally_gives_users_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/i8nuyb/firefox_de...
phatfish 5y ago
Some corners of the internet got annoyed a women was working as a programmer for Mozilla and took things a bit too far. Turns out it gets dug up by the same haters under every post about Firefox.
- tomrod 5y ago
  I'm not in that camp. I simply genuinely dislike FF mobile now, when it used to be the best browser available on Android.
  - chaircher 5y ago
    You might have posted on the wrong comment thread? This one was me asking for context for a bad-faith read of a vague tweet
    - tomrod 5y ago
      My concern is that bad tweet message (which, in my opinion, is not a bad faith read) is not poisoned because the tweet author also stirs negativity from (what I assume from your comment) the gamergate crowd.
      - chaircher 5y ago
        Is this woman involved in gamergate? I genuinely don't know anything about the tweet author or any of the context which is why I've asked for more info

0xFreebie 5y ago

The way things are going, Firefox will have to drop their rendering engine for Webkit. What they're doing now is unsustainable.

caslon 5y ago

That person doesn't work at Mozilla or on free software at all anymore. It was a bad tweet, but it's past the time to reasonably hold that against Mozilla. Mozilla has a lot of problems, and it would be better to blame them for the problems that are still around rather than a bad tweet from months ago by someone not employed at Mozilla any longer.

0xFreebie 5y ago
Past time? She left in February.
- caslon 5y ago
  She left near the beginning of the year and we're nearing the end of the year.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    And the changes she was involved in have yet to be rolled back. Long shadows happen when developers have user-hostile attitudes.
    - caslon 5y ago
      It's fine to acknowledge that Firefox for anything but desktop sucks now. I do pretty often, actually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26762431 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26762431 But complaining about a problem that Mozilla's already gotten rid of is counterproductive at best.
      - atatatat 5y ago
        Just don't mind the gap in security on your desktop, then? Or do you disable JS?

ekager 5y ago

Hello that is me. I left almost a year ago. I posted that as a joke after years of abuse and it was directed towards those abusive community members. I had no ill will towards users. In fact, users are why I stayed so long and tried to improve the product. I agree with some of the criticisms in this post. The fact you’re still using me, the most public facing woman on the project, as a scapegoat and target for your frustrations is predictable but sad. In general targeting one dev will not get you anywhere.

dont__panic 5y ago
Thanks for all of your hard work on Firefox mobile -- I've read plenty of background about those abusive community members, and I can only sympathize with you. People can be jerks. That being said; responding to them with that (public!) tweet probably only added fuel to the fire, especially since the tweet wasn't clearly directed at only those abusive community members. If I didn't know about your full story and stumbled upon that tweet, I wouldn't come away from it with the best impression of you or Mozilla. I'm not sure this person is necessarily targeting you. Or women in general. It seems to me like they're just frustrated with the product and this tweet is a very easy vent for that frustration. Anyway, hopefully your current role is a little less political than what you dealt with at Mozilla. I definitely wouldn't have lasted as long as you did in that situation!

pcwalton 5y ago

You might consider that when you start bashing the Firefox developers personally, they are much more likely to just stop working on Firefox entirely than to listen to you. Realize that most engineers working at Mozilla are already giving up some amount of money to do so relative to what they could earn at FAANG.