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10x to 100x less likely but still a distinct possibility you kill someone that would've lived if they weren't inoculated with a live virus. That's messed up by

10x to 100x less likely but still a distinct possibility you kill someone that would've lived if they weren't inoculated with a live virus. That's messed up by itself, but also cases like that would likely discourage the people on the fence about vaccination. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-brea... Minor live infections to build immunity is called variolation, it's a tactic that was used effectively historically against smallpox, but effectively got obsoleted by vaccination, which doesn't kill as many people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation

dcow 5y ago
You linked data on breakthrough infections. Those are infections in people who have been vaccinated, some of which can still result in death. I don't believe there have been any reported deaths from the vaccine. There may be an alleged one, but the details are controversial. If you can link data suggesting that the vaccine is 10x to 100x less likely than covid to kill you but does still reliably kill you, I think we could entertain this line of rhetoric further. Despite that, let's concede the vaccine does kill people: I'm not sure that's unethical though if more people end up dead because the population didn't quickly achieve immunity and stop the spread of the virus. There are a lot of ethical frameworks out there and in the US we are actually a majority rule so as a society we should generally be protecting the interests of the majority of people except in cases where it leads to sever oppression or breach of civil liberties. We are okay with the draft (forced risk of death) during times of war yet somehow when the enemy is unfamiliar in the form of a virus we aren't?

dcow 5y ago

You linked data on breakthrough infections. Those are infections in people who have been vaccinated, some of which can still result in death. I don't believe there have been any reported deaths from the vaccine. There may be an alleged one, but the details are controversial. If you can link data suggesting that the vaccine is 10x to 100x less likely than covid to kill you but does still reliably kill you, I think we could entertain this line of rhetoric further. Despite that, let's concede the vaccine does kill people: I'm not sure that's unethical though if more people end up dead because the population didn't quickly achieve immunity and stop the spread of the virus. There are a lot of ethical frameworks out there and in the US we are actually a majority rule so as a society we should generally be protecting the interests of the majority of people except in cases where it leads to sever oppression or breach of civil liberties. We are okay with the draft (forced risk of death) during times of war yet somehow when the enemy is unfamiliar in the form of a virus we aren't?