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So you're saying the tesla self driving capability is on par with humans driving at near their worst in a panic'd sort of circumstance. Great!

mwint 5y ago
Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately. I’m stunned that it hasn’t, so far as we know, actually hit anything yet. I’m not sure how, but clearly they’re doing something right between choosing drivers and writing software.
- ctvo 5y ago
  > Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately. Right, a strawman. How about this compromise: Let's call it "Poorly Implemented Self Driving" until it improves, and we won't try to sell it years early too.
- freeone3000 5y ago
  There were several high publicity collisions with a Tesla colliding into stationary objects -- a highway barricade [1], a blue truck [2], a parked police car[3], two instances of a parked ambulance[4]... Teslas driving themselves hit objects all the time. 1. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/tesla-autopilot-steered-driver-barrier-fatal-crash-ntsb/story%3fid=68936725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/tes... 2. Ibid 3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/14/tesla-on-autopilot-hits-police-vehicle-which-hits-ambulance-driver-possibly-drunk-police/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/14/... 4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/30/business/tesla-crash-police-car/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/30/busi...
  - mwint 5y ago
    This was all not FSD beta; those were all on the completely separate public stack.
    - mwint 5y ago
      This is kinda fascinating - factually true statements about FSD are blanket downvoted. Why is that?
      - freeone3000 5y ago
        "autopilot" versus "full self driving* capable" versus "full self driving" versus "autonomous mode" seems like marketing hype instead of actual improvements. After all, "autopilot" was supposed to drive itself, so what's the new one do differently?
  - toast0 5y ago
    So, devil's advocate. We know the Autopilot ignores stationary objects, so a lane with a parked vehicle (emergency or otherwise) is therefore a reasonable place to travel at the set speed on the cruise control, etc. But, I believe this discussion is about the new FSD software which is supposed to be more capable. Have we had reports about the new one doing the old tricks?
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
  What hasn’t hit anything yet? A Tesla on autopilot? Surely.

mwint 5y ago

Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately. I’m stunned that it hasn’t, so far as we know, actually hit anything yet. I’m not sure how, but clearly they’re doing something right between choosing drivers and writing software.

ctvo 5y ago
> Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately. Right, a strawman. How about this compromise: Let's call it "Poorly Implemented Self Driving" until it improves, and we won't try to sell it years early too.
freeone3000 5y ago
There were several high publicity collisions with a Tesla colliding into stationary objects -- a highway barricade [1], a blue truck [2], a parked police car[3], two instances of a parked ambulance[4]... Teslas driving themselves hit objects all the time. 1. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/tesla-autopilot-steered-driver-barrier-fatal-crash-ntsb/story%3fid=68936725 https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/tes... 2. Ibid 3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/14/tesla-on-autopilot-hits-police-vehicle-which-hits-ambulance-driver-possibly-drunk-police/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/14/... 4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/30/business/tesla-crash-police-car/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/30/busi...
- mwint 5y ago
  This was all not FSD beta; those were all on the completely separate public stack.
  - mwint 5y ago
    This is kinda fascinating - factually true statements about FSD are blanket downvoted. Why is that?
    - freeone3000 5y ago
      "autopilot" versus "full self driving* capable" versus "full self driving" versus "autonomous mode" seems like marketing hype instead of actual improvements. After all, "autopilot" was supposed to drive itself, so what's the new one do differently?
- toast0 5y ago
  So, devil's advocate. We know the Autopilot ignores stationary objects, so a lane with a parked vehicle (emergency or otherwise) is therefore a reasonable place to travel at the set speed on the cruise control, etc. But, I believe this discussion is about the new FSD software which is supposed to be more capable. Have we had reports about the new one doing the old tricks?
TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
What hasn’t hit anything yet? A Tesla on autopilot? Surely.