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You didn’t answer my questions. Are you suggesting we don’t teach those very real historical facts I mentioned because some sensitive racists may take it person

You didn’t answer my questions. Are you suggesting we don’t teach those very real historical facts I mentioned because some sensitive racists may take it personally? Since when is that a reason to distort the truth? Edit: HackerNews has decided to throttle me because I’m not a hivemind reactionary. I’m really close to highlighting what’s really going on in this “community” in a more public forum dang.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Teach all the facts you want. That's very different than Critical Race Theory, which teaches racism to cure racism.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  All parent talked about was teaching facts and you're the one equating that with some form of shaming and oppression, for which you have demonstrated no evidence other than that said facts are indeed taught.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    As I said above: Teaching facts is fine. But the method these facts are now taught with, the way to interpret the facts, and the system of applying these facts to the world is inflammatory and racist itself and was not previously present in the curriculum, being a recent addition. And if you say there's no evidence of that, you remain willfully ignorant of what colleges, high schools, and even middle schools are teaching.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      By all means then, please enlighten me with something to back up your claims other than "trust me, and you're just ignorant if you don't".
      - dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've done it a lot and we've asked you many times not to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
        I legitimately am not sure how my posts in this have been "flamewar comments", so I guess out of an abundance of caution I will just refrain from ever discussing this topic here.
        dang 5y ago
        I wasn't just talking about your posts to this thread, but to HN in general. That's why I wrote " you've done it a lot and we've asked you many times not to". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27924646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27924646 (July 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25840379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25840379 (Jan 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23862203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23862203 (July 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21598837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21598837 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21529667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21529667 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801535 (Aug 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17215822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17215822 (June 2018) That kind of pattern is clearly a problem, especially since we only see a sample of the things any regular user posts. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart? We'd be grateful. I know it's not easy, but if we're to have the sort of forum we're trying for here, all of us need to work on our habits of how we engage with other commenters. As for this thread, your comment that I replied to was obviously a snarky battle comment, not genuinely interested in what the other person had to say or why they might hold the view they do. That's not curious conversation. One sign of curious conversation as opposed to internet battle is that people remain able to relate to each other across their differences. If the only way you're able to relate to the other commenter is as an enemy to be defeated, you're not really engaging out of curiosity. We're looking for curiosity-driven conversation here. There are other places to do battle. These points hardly apply to just you, of course - the problems are all over the place, especially in threads like this. But as the guidelines say: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
    - dang 5y ago
      It looks like your account has been using this site primarily for ideological battle. That's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and when an account is using HN primarily for that, that's the line at which we ban them (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). I'm not going to ban you for this right now because we haven't warned you before, but please review the guidelines and use HN in the intended spirit going forward.
- rhcom2 5y ago
  Critical Race Theory, the newest right wing boogy man to drive the culture war.
  - luffapi 5y ago
    At least it makes it easy to spot the white supremacists. Sadly this site and our industry are full of them.
superflit 5y ago
Then please teach ALL the facts. The facts that BLACK kings/leaders sold its OWN people to Muslim Traders as slaves. The fact the Slave trade on the seas was dominated by (converted) merchants. And the Fact that the Europeans were the LAST ones doing slave trade, the black slave trade was booming for centuries before Europeans engaged in. The origins of the Slavs names. Final Note-> Never in history a race (White) has fight and died for to free Another race. Realize that ONLY the Europeans fight to Free the africans slave. No other race cared at all about it.
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments and unsubstantive comments to HN. It's not what this site is for. Using the site primarily for ideological battle is also not allowed, regardless of which ideology you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - deleted 5y ago
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scohesc 5y ago
Why do you have to make random threats towards website moderators when trying to explain your point of view? Seems like you're being disingenuous and you're not coming to this discussion with the ability to stop yourself and see things from other points of view.
- luffapi 5y ago
  The “other point of view” is white supremacy (aka the only people in the world concerned with “critical race theory”). The mods not only allow white supremacy on this site, they censor those who complain about it! I literally got downvoted and throttled for saying slavery was real and talking about the very real genocide of Native children in Canada. What’s next, Holocaust denial?
  - scohesc 5y ago
    You're likely being throttled because of the number of posts you're making, as well as some sort of auto-moderator system where if someone gets downvoted a lot in a short time, the system thinks you're a spammer and throttles you. As to why you're being downvoted I can only hazard a guess - You're likely being downvoted because you're making accusations using words that have very strong meaning and implication behind their use, and don't fit well with this discussion. Saying the mods only allow white supremacy on this website is laughable. There's no way for you to prove this - I'd like to see you try. If there was actually white supremacy in this group, we wouldn't have such a diverse group of people (intellectually, physically, culturally, geographically, etc) to come here to discuss (in most cases) tech news related to readers' fields - it's part of why the internet is as popular as it is. People who are regular contributors and commenters to the Hacker News forum usually bring more to the table than simple name-calling and insult-hurling. There's also wonderful ideas you can try yourself like critical thinking, opening your mind to other opinions, stopping yourself before making baseless accusations, etc.! It's fun.
    - luffapi 5y ago
      I literally just listed historical facts. Point to my accusations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539652 There’s nothing “fun” about this site. It’s the embodiment of the worst of our industry. It’s literally spewing AM radio quality right wing propaganda. I don’t think the people here are as intellectually curious as you claim.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Teach all the facts you want. That's very different than Critical Race Theory, which teaches racism to cure racism.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
All parent talked about was teaching facts and you're the one equating that with some form of shaming and oppression, for which you have demonstrated no evidence other than that said facts are indeed taught.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  As I said above: Teaching facts is fine. But the method these facts are now taught with, the way to interpret the facts, and the system of applying these facts to the world is inflammatory and racist itself and was not previously present in the curriculum, being a recent addition. And if you say there's no evidence of that, you remain willfully ignorant of what colleges, high schools, and even middle schools are teaching.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    By all means then, please enlighten me with something to back up your claims other than "trust me, and you're just ignorant if you don't".
    - dang 5y ago
      Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've done it a lot and we've asked you many times not to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
        I legitimately am not sure how my posts in this have been "flamewar comments", so I guess out of an abundance of caution I will just refrain from ever discussing this topic here.
        dang 5y ago
        I wasn't just talking about your posts to this thread, but to HN in general. That's why I wrote " you've done it a lot and we've asked you many times not to". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27924646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27924646 (July 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25840379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25840379 (Jan 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23862203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23862203 (July 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21598837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21598837 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21529667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21529667 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17801535 (Aug 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17215822 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17215822 (June 2018) That kind of pattern is clearly a problem, especially since we only see a sample of the things any regular user posts. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart? We'd be grateful. I know it's not easy, but if we're to have the sort of forum we're trying for here, all of us need to work on our habits of how we engage with other commenters. As for this thread, your comment that I replied to was obviously a snarky battle comment, not genuinely interested in what the other person had to say or why they might hold the view they do. That's not curious conversation. One sign of curious conversation as opposed to internet battle is that people remain able to relate to each other across their differences. If the only way you're able to relate to the other commenter is as an enemy to be defeated, you're not really engaging out of curiosity. We're looking for curiosity-driven conversation here. There are other places to do battle. These points hardly apply to just you, of course - the problems are all over the place, especially in threads like this. But as the guidelines say: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
  - dang 5y ago
    It looks like your account has been using this site primarily for ideological battle. That's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and when an account is using HN primarily for that, that's the line at which we ban them (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). I'm not going to ban you for this right now because we haven't warned you before, but please review the guidelines and use HN in the intended spirit going forward.
rhcom2 5y ago
Critical Race Theory, the newest right wing boogy man to drive the culture war.
- luffapi 5y ago
  At least it makes it easy to spot the white supremacists. Sadly this site and our industry are full of them.

superflit 5y ago

Then please teach ALL the facts. The facts that BLACK kings/leaders sold its OWN people to Muslim Traders as slaves. The fact the Slave trade on the seas was dominated by (converted) merchants. And the Fact that the Europeans were the LAST ones doing slave trade, the black slave trade was booming for centuries before Europeans engaged in. The origins of the Slavs names. Final Note-> Never in history a race (White) has fight and died for to free Another race. Realize that ONLY the Europeans fight to Free the africans slave. No other race cared at all about it.

dang 5y ago
We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments and unsubstantive comments to HN. It's not what this site is for. Using the site primarily for ideological battle is also not allowed, regardless of which ideology you're battling for or against. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- deleted 5y ago
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scohesc 5y ago

Why do you have to make random threats towards website moderators when trying to explain your point of view? Seems like you're being disingenuous and you're not coming to this discussion with the ability to stop yourself and see things from other points of view.

luffapi 5y ago
The “other point of view” is white supremacy (aka the only people in the world concerned with “critical race theory”). The mods not only allow white supremacy on this site, they censor those who complain about it! I literally got downvoted and throttled for saying slavery was real and talking about the very real genocide of Native children in Canada. What’s next, Holocaust denial?
- scohesc 5y ago
  You're likely being throttled because of the number of posts you're making, as well as some sort of auto-moderator system where if someone gets downvoted a lot in a short time, the system thinks you're a spammer and throttles you. As to why you're being downvoted I can only hazard a guess - You're likely being downvoted because you're making accusations using words that have very strong meaning and implication behind their use, and don't fit well with this discussion. Saying the mods only allow white supremacy on this website is laughable. There's no way for you to prove this - I'd like to see you try. If there was actually white supremacy in this group, we wouldn't have such a diverse group of people (intellectually, physically, culturally, geographically, etc) to come here to discuss (in most cases) tech news related to readers' fields - it's part of why the internet is as popular as it is. People who are regular contributors and commenters to the Hacker News forum usually bring more to the table than simple name-calling and insult-hurling. There's also wonderful ideas you can try yourself like critical thinking, opening your mind to other opinions, stopping yourself before making baseless accusations, etc.! It's fun.
  - luffapi 5y ago
    I literally just listed historical facts. Point to my accusations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539652 There’s nothing “fun” about this site. It’s the embodiment of the worst of our industry. It’s literally spewing AM radio quality right wing propaganda. I don’t think the people here are as intellectually curious as you claim.