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Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any chi

Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any children you know. Also, the fda has a perfect track record for only approving safe treatments, so why worry?

tomrod 5y ago
Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the largest observed side effect) is 16 COVID deaths prevented for every case (minor or major).[0] [0] https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU
- vxNsr 5y ago
  Just so you know hn doesn’t have any pm functionality, you also don’t have any contact info in your hn bio, which is how most ppl connect outside of hn. I will say, however, you’ve been incredibly dismissive and condescending, at times even insulting throughout this entire thread, up and down the page, even as someone who is pro-vaccine, I wouldn’t consider you “safe”. So your offers comes off as more gaslighting than anything else.
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  - tomrod 5y ago
    I'm not sure what you're reading as dismissive. Perhaps telling someone who hopes for a brutal civil war that they are fetishizing, but that's simply a tongue in cheek response to someone who clearly hasn't considered the outcomes to such events. Otherwise, my message is consistent. Vaccination is a civic duty and one that is good for society. We need to be vaccinated. If a person wishes to reach out to me, I do not judge them based on differences of opinions.
    - vxNsr 5y ago
      You’re being dismissive right now. I appreciate honest dialogue, and again, I’m vaccinated and believe overall the medical community is a net positive for society, but you are neither being genuine nor non-judgmental. You’re so far in your own ideology and echo chamber that you don’t even realize how far apart you are from those who don’t see everything through the same lenses you do.
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      - tomrod 5y ago
        Interesting. If I had more time, I would love to review what you are considering as dismissive. Introspection is an essential part of growth. Regardless, thanks for the input, and have a good weekend.
- ctrlp 5y ago
  Every side is the 'human side'.
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  Can you tell me the medical side effects that could pop up after 1 year, 5 years and 10 years? Thanks.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    I assume your request is in good faith. Within one year there appears to be myocarditis at a rate of 16 COVID deaths per 1 myocarditis case. To my understanding this rare side effect appears to occur within be first two weeks post shot, while the body metabolizes the mRNA and other components of the vaccine. Myocarditis also occurs with some other viral infections, and is concerning though not as concerning as the effects of COVID. After that time period, you have immune response to the spike components. If that is associated with long term side effects, one would anticipate similar immune responses after the virus itself. I am aware there is a claim that everyone with the vaccine dies in two years, based on rodent studies.(rodents live 18 months). Beyond that I'm not sure what information is out there regarding longevity. I would be happy to review sources you may suggest.
    - _-david-_ 5y ago
      Thanks for the response. Do you have the numbers on the other side effects as well? Also do you have the myocarditis cases and other side effects past 1 year? Just to be clear, I don't think everyone is going to die in a couple years.
      - tomrod 5y ago
        I don't off hand (my focus and research has been in the population health & dynamics for COVID versus vaccine side effects). There was a recent review by the CDC here: https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU
        _-david-_ 5y ago
        I think you missed my point. I would like to know something you cannot know. We have some good data for the effects after a year, but do not have any data for 5 or 10 years since these vaccines have not been out that long.

tomrod 5y ago

Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the largest observed side effect) is 16 COVID deaths prevented for every case (minor or major).[0] [0] https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU

vxNsr 5y ago
Just so you know hn doesn’t have any pm functionality, you also don’t have any contact info in your hn bio, which is how most ppl connect outside of hn. I will say, however, you’ve been incredibly dismissive and condescending, at times even insulting throughout this entire thread, up and down the page, even as someone who is pro-vaccine, I wouldn’t consider you “safe”. So your offers comes off as more gaslighting than anything else.
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- tomrod 5y ago
  I'm not sure what you're reading as dismissive. Perhaps telling someone who hopes for a brutal civil war that they are fetishizing, but that's simply a tongue in cheek response to someone who clearly hasn't considered the outcomes to such events. Otherwise, my message is consistent. Vaccination is a civic duty and one that is good for society. We need to be vaccinated. If a person wishes to reach out to me, I do not judge them based on differences of opinions.
  - vxNsr 5y ago
    You’re being dismissive right now. I appreciate honest dialogue, and again, I’m vaccinated and believe overall the medical community is a net positive for society, but you are neither being genuine nor non-judgmental. You’re so far in your own ideology and echo chamber that you don’t even realize how far apart you are from those who don’t see everything through the same lenses you do.
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    - tomrod 5y ago
      Interesting. If I had more time, I would love to review what you are considering as dismissive. Introspection is an essential part of growth. Regardless, thanks for the input, and have a good weekend.
ctrlp 5y ago
Every side is the 'human side'.
_-david-_ 5y ago
Can you tell me the medical side effects that could pop up after 1 year, 5 years and 10 years? Thanks.
- tomrod 5y ago
  I assume your request is in good faith. Within one year there appears to be myocarditis at a rate of 16 COVID deaths per 1 myocarditis case. To my understanding this rare side effect appears to occur within be first two weeks post shot, while the body metabolizes the mRNA and other components of the vaccine. Myocarditis also occurs with some other viral infections, and is concerning though not as concerning as the effects of COVID. After that time period, you have immune response to the spike components. If that is associated with long term side effects, one would anticipate similar immune responses after the virus itself. I am aware there is a claim that everyone with the vaccine dies in two years, based on rodent studies.(rodents live 18 months). Beyond that I'm not sure what information is out there regarding longevity. I would be happy to review sources you may suggest.
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    Thanks for the response. Do you have the numbers on the other side effects as well? Also do you have the myocarditis cases and other side effects past 1 year? Just to be clear, I don't think everyone is going to die in a couple years.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      I don't off hand (my focus and research has been in the population health & dynamics for COVID versus vaccine side effects). There was a recent review by the CDC here: https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU https://youtu.be/mfFeocgSKvU
      - _-david-_ 5y ago
        I think you missed my point. I would like to know something you cannot know. We have some good data for the effects after a year, but do not have any data for 5 or 10 years since these vaccines have not been out that long.