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I would love it if the government required vaccination but the last time the government did something controversial, a bunch of looters and thugs stormed the US

I would love it if the government required vaccination but the last time the government did something controversial, a bunch of looters and thugs stormed the US Capitol and killed several police officers.

sennight 5y ago
> ...killed several police officers. lol, nothing has ever not happened more than this. If this isn't a parody representation of somebody who definitely shouldn't have any say about anybody else's health decisions, but an honest reflection of what you really believe... you should really think on how you came to be so badly mislead - and to what end.
- minikites 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att... >Brian Sicknick, a 42-year-old responding Capitol Police officer, was pepper-sprayed during the riot, and had two thromboembolic strokes the next day, after which he was placed on life support, and soon died. >In the immediate aftermath of the attack, some members of Congress and press reports included these two suicides in the number of reported casualties, for a total of seven deaths. In July, two more members of law enforcement who responded to the attack died by suicide.
  - sennight 5y ago
    Yeah, so murder by... bullying? Guilt tripping? The shamelessness of the lying is impressive.
    - kthejoker2 5y ago
      We can quibble over what is a "murder", but assigning blame of a suicide due to PTSD on the cause of the trauma is not a new concept.
      - sennight 5y ago
        PTSD so strong as to almost instantly result in suicide? Wow. Being an actual combat vet, I can tell you with authority that your time would be better spent looking up "moral injury" instead of researching definitions for PTSD that fit your usage. That wouldn't fit the lie, though.
- dang 5y ago
  You've been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of their ideology, because it's destructive of the intended use of this site. I'm not going to ban you for this right now because we haven't warned you before, but your account is way over the line for bannability. (The test we apply is explained in past comments here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....) Seriously not cool. If you keep this up, we will have to ban you, so please stop and use HN as intended.
  - sennight 5y ago
    I disagree. Do what you gotta do senpai.
TMWNN 5y ago
>I would love it if the government required vaccination but the last time the government did something controversial, a bunch of looters and thugs stormed the US Capitol and killed several police officers. As sennight said, that is a lie. The one person who died violently was one of the rioters, an unarmed woman who was shot by Capitol Police. Four other rioters died of natural causes around the time of the riot. (And before you mention him, Officer Sicknick did not die from being hit by a fire extinguisher because that never happened (<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisher/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-exting...>). He died of a stroke which the autopsy found no connection with the riot (<https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/brian-sicknick-capitol-police-officer-died-two-str/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/brian-sickn...>). And yes, the autopsy also specifically checked—and did not find evidence—for a connection between the stroke and pepper spray.)
- minikites 5y ago
  You're omitting part of the story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#D.C._medical_examiner_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#D.C._m... >Diaz told the Washington Post that there was no evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or was otherwise injured, but stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." >Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, said that Sicknick's manner of death could have been classified as accidental, a homicide, or undetermined. It sure would be a strange coincidence if his stroke was entirely unrelated as you say.
  - TMWNN 5y ago
    "all that transpired played a role in his condition" just means that when something medical happens to someone, obviously everything before the event is evaluated. That doesn't change the fact that a) Sicknick was never hit by a fire extinguisher, contrary to the early frenzied media reports—corrected weeks after the fact, if at all—that linked such a blow to his death (and contrary to his family, which always insisted that he had never been attacked so) b) the autopsy specifically looked for some causal effect from the pepper spray and his death, and found nothing Wecht did not examine Sicknick but claims to be "shocked, amazed" by the "natural" verdict for the officer's death. He does so using a worker's comp example, which is inapplicable in this case. Were it applicable, every single time a police officer dies of a heart attack or stroke a day after a stressful event, the pathologist should rule that death as "non-natural", which of course is nonsense. Heck, Wecht goes further and says—again, without having participated in the autopsy—that there is a strong case for ruling the death a homicide! Good grief.
dang 5y ago
Posting this sort of ideological flamebait to HN is abusive. If it isn't arson, it's criminal negligence. Since we've asked you many times not to do this on HN and you've continued to do it repeatedly, I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

sennight 5y ago

> ...killed several police officers. lol, nothing has ever not happened more than this. If this isn't a parody representation of somebody who definitely shouldn't have any say about anybody else's health decisions, but an honest reflection of what you really believe... you should really think on how you came to be so badly mislead - and to what end.

minikites 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att... >Brian Sicknick, a 42-year-old responding Capitol Police officer, was pepper-sprayed during the riot, and had two thromboembolic strokes the next day, after which he was placed on life support, and soon died. >In the immediate aftermath of the attack, some members of Congress and press reports included these two suicides in the number of reported casualties, for a total of seven deaths. In July, two more members of law enforcement who responded to the attack died by suicide.
- sennight 5y ago
  Yeah, so murder by... bullying? Guilt tripping? The shamelessness of the lying is impressive.
  - kthejoker2 5y ago
    We can quibble over what is a "murder", but assigning blame of a suicide due to PTSD on the cause of the trauma is not a new concept.
    - sennight 5y ago
      PTSD so strong as to almost instantly result in suicide? Wow. Being an actual combat vet, I can tell you with authority that your time would be better spent looking up "moral injury" instead of researching definitions for PTSD that fit your usage. That wouldn't fit the lie, though.
dang 5y ago
You've been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of their ideology, because it's destructive of the intended use of this site. I'm not going to ban you for this right now because we haven't warned you before, but your account is way over the line for bannability. (The test we apply is explained in past comments here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....) Seriously not cool. If you keep this up, we will have to ban you, so please stop and use HN as intended.
- sennight 5y ago
  I disagree. Do what you gotta do senpai.

TMWNN 5y ago

>I would love it if the government required vaccination but the last time the government did something controversial, a bunch of looters and thugs stormed the US Capitol and killed several police officers. As sennight said, that is a lie. The one person who died violently was one of the rioters, an unarmed woman who was shot by Capitol Police. Four other rioters died of natural causes around the time of the riot. (And before you mention him, Officer Sicknick did not die from being hit by a fire extinguisher because that never happened (<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisher/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-exting...>). He died of a stroke which the autopsy found no connection with the riot (<https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/brian-sicknick-capitol-police-officer-died-two-str/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/brian-sickn...>). And yes, the autopsy also specifically checked—and did not find evidence—for a connection between the stroke and pepper spray.)

minikites 5y ago
You're omitting part of the story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#D.C._medical_examiner_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#D.C._m... >Diaz told the Washington Post that there was no evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemicals or was otherwise injured, but stated that "all that transpired played a role in his condition." >Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, said that Sicknick's manner of death could have been classified as accidental, a homicide, or undetermined. It sure would be a strange coincidence if his stroke was entirely unrelated as you say.
- TMWNN 5y ago
  "all that transpired played a role in his condition" just means that when something medical happens to someone, obviously everything before the event is evaluated. That doesn't change the fact that a) Sicknick was never hit by a fire extinguisher, contrary to the early frenzied media reports—corrected weeks after the fact, if at all—that linked such a blow to his death (and contrary to his family, which always insisted that he had never been attacked so) b) the autopsy specifically looked for some causal effect from the pepper spray and his death, and found nothing Wecht did not examine Sicknick but claims to be "shocked, amazed" by the "natural" verdict for the officer's death. He does so using a worker's comp example, which is inapplicable in this case. Were it applicable, every single time a police officer dies of a heart attack or stroke a day after a stressful event, the pathologist should rule that death as "non-natural", which of course is nonsense. Heck, Wecht goes further and says—again, without having participated in the autopsy—that there is a strong case for ruling the death a homicide! Good grief.

dang 5y ago

Posting this sort of ideological flamebait to HN is abusive. If it isn't arson, it's criminal negligence. Since we've asked you many times not to do this on HN and you've continued to do it repeatedly, I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html