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I believe Aaron Swartz[1] was arrested for something similar where he was sending batch requests to access documents. His case didn't involve fraud like here b

I believe Aaron Swartz[1] was arrested for something similar where he was sending batch requests to access documents. His case didn't involve fraud like here but it sets a precedent for causing undue burden on a computer system. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#The_download https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#The_download --- On a side note, can anyone explain why covid mandates are fine but abortion laws are evil? Those groups have heavy overlap of supporters and both are about bodily autonomy.

jazzyjackson 5y ago
abortion is a personal matter and covid is a public health matter, pretty hard line distinction. Also it's a matter of degree: banning abortions is forcing women to undergo childbirth, while covid mandates are a matter of paper masks and a couple shots of prophylactic.
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- halfjoking 5y ago
  “Couple shots of prophylactic” would be true if there was an inactive virus vaccine option. These shots are the first that use a custom RNA sequence to program your cells to produce proteins. Like I’ve said before - the attack surface is too great to be an acceptable health measure mandated by hostile state actors. (all governments are hostile state actors IMO) I’d rather be a bubble boy for the rest of my life than take an RNA shot.
  - yellowapple 5y ago
    > the attack surface is too great to be an acceptable health measure mandated by hostile state actors. I'm curious where you think there's an attack surface for RNA-based vaccines that doesn't also apply to dead-virus vaccines.
    - halfjoking 5y ago
      A while ago HN front page had this article about the RNA sequence in the vaccines: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source... They use DNA printers to produce the RNA. Just like electronic voting machines without a paper trail I do not trust the RNA sequence is the same as what clinical researchers developed. RNA can do more than just produce proteins: https://knoji.com/article/list-of-11-other-types-of-rna/ https://knoji.com/article/list-of-11-other-types-of-rna/ Can I say what type would be used to do something nefarious? TBH I have no idea, but the possibilities seem limitless. That’s why there’s so much funding around RNA vaccines now - they could potentially cure almost anything. Compare that with inactive virus vaccines like China’s Sinovac. The ingredients are well-known, you can’t change a dead virus to do anything crazy like alter gene expression, if they added something harmful to the vaccine it would be very obvious. Also China even open-sources their inactive virus vaccine and exports raw materials to other nations to manufacture them: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm A plot to add some "secret sauce" to a vaccine wouldn't work in that scenario. So I can trust open-source inactive virus vaccines. I can never trust an RNA vaccine until I can verify the RNA code in it. (equivalent of a checksum in software). So until we have DNA printers at home I’m not taking it.
      - yellowapple 5y ago
        > Just like electronic voting machines without a paper trail I do not trust the RNA sequence is the same as what clinical researchers developed. And yet you trust the makers of an "inactive" virus vaccine to actually make that virus inactive and not, say, an active vector for some undocumented gene therapy? > RNA can do more than just produce proteins mRNA, specifically, cannot. If you had actually read that "reverse engineering" article you linked, you would already know that mRNA has a specific "format" that's different from the other dozen or so kinds of RNA. > you can’t change a dead virus to do anything crazy like alter gene expression You assume that it's actually dead. How do you verify that? > if they added something harmful to the vaccine it would be very obvious As it would be for an mRNA vaccine. > I can never trust an RNA vaccine until I can verify the RNA code in it. Which you can indeed do. RNA sequencers exist, and I'm sure the fine folks at one of my past employers would be happy to send you a quote for one: https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/sequencing/next-generation-sequencing/ion-torrent-next-generation-sequencing-workflow/ion-torrent-next-generation-sequencing-run-sequence/ion-s5-ngs-targeted-sequencing.html https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/sequenc...
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everybodyknows 5y ago
>covid mandates are fine >abortion laws are evil No one willing to seriously consider the ethical issues involved would posit either dilemma in such terms.
- rs999gti 5y ago
  Yes, but both relate to body autonomy https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-republican-men-are-weaponizing-anti-covid-vaccine-arguments-n1276967 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-republican-men-are-weaponi...
jamroom 5y ago
Which states have a legally mandated vaccinations? I’m not aware of any.

jazzyjackson 5y ago

abortion is a personal matter and covid is a public health matter, pretty hard line distinction. Also it's a matter of degree: banning abortions is forcing women to undergo childbirth, while covid mandates are a matter of paper masks and a couple shots of prophylactic.

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halfjoking 5y ago
“Couple shots of prophylactic” would be true if there was an inactive virus vaccine option. These shots are the first that use a custom RNA sequence to program your cells to produce proteins. Like I’ve said before - the attack surface is too great to be an acceptable health measure mandated by hostile state actors. (all governments are hostile state actors IMO) I’d rather be a bubble boy for the rest of my life than take an RNA shot.
- yellowapple 5y ago
  > the attack surface is too great to be an acceptable health measure mandated by hostile state actors. I'm curious where you think there's an attack surface for RNA-based vaccines that doesn't also apply to dead-virus vaccines.
  - halfjoking 5y ago
    A while ago HN front page had this article about the RNA sequence in the vaccines: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/ https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source... They use DNA printers to produce the RNA. Just like electronic voting machines without a paper trail I do not trust the RNA sequence is the same as what clinical researchers developed. RNA can do more than just produce proteins: https://knoji.com/article/list-of-11-other-types-of-rna/ https://knoji.com/article/list-of-11-other-types-of-rna/ Can I say what type would be used to do something nefarious? TBH I have no idea, but the possibilities seem limitless. That’s why there’s so much funding around RNA vaccines now - they could potentially cure almost anything. Compare that with inactive virus vaccines like China’s Sinovac. The ingredients are well-known, you can’t change a dead virus to do anything crazy like alter gene expression, if they added something harmful to the vaccine it would be very obvious. Also China even open-sources their inactive virus vaccine and exports raw materials to other nations to manufacture them: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-01/12/c_139661608.htm A plot to add some "secret sauce" to a vaccine wouldn't work in that scenario. So I can trust open-source inactive virus vaccines. I can never trust an RNA vaccine until I can verify the RNA code in it. (equivalent of a checksum in software). So until we have DNA printers at home I’m not taking it.
    - yellowapple 5y ago
      > Just like electronic voting machines without a paper trail I do not trust the RNA sequence is the same as what clinical researchers developed. And yet you trust the makers of an "inactive" virus vaccine to actually make that virus inactive and not, say, an active vector for some undocumented gene therapy? > RNA can do more than just produce proteins mRNA, specifically, cannot. If you had actually read that "reverse engineering" article you linked, you would already know that mRNA has a specific "format" that's different from the other dozen or so kinds of RNA. > you can’t change a dead virus to do anything crazy like alter gene expression You assume that it's actually dead. How do you verify that? > if they added something harmful to the vaccine it would be very obvious As it would be for an mRNA vaccine. > I can never trust an RNA vaccine until I can verify the RNA code in it. Which you can indeed do. RNA sequencers exist, and I'm sure the fine folks at one of my past employers would be happy to send you a quote for one: https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/sequencing/next-generation-sequencing/ion-torrent-next-generation-sequencing-workflow/ion-torrent-next-generation-sequencing-run-sequence/ion-s5-ngs-targeted-sequencing.html https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/sequenc...
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everybodyknows 5y ago

>covid mandates are fine >abortion laws are evil No one willing to seriously consider the ethical issues involved would posit either dilemma in such terms.

rs999gti 5y ago
Yes, but both relate to body autonomy https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-republican-men-are-weaponizing-anti-covid-vaccine-arguments-n1276967 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-republican-men-are-weaponi...

jamroom 5y ago

Which states have a legally mandated vaccinations? I’m not aware of any.