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The Winners of Remote Work don't live in the United States. The pandemic has accelerated globalization.

by pvm3 5y ago

SonOfKyuss 5y ago
Working parents in the US have definitely benefited from the flexibility that comes with remote work as well.
- pc86 5y ago
  Only to the extent that schools and daycares are still open.
co2benzoate 5y ago
The winners of remote work are all fleeing to New Zealand, leaving the rest to wallow in decaying infrastructure and a healthcare system bursting at the seams.
- j8hn 5y ago
  I wasn't aware that New Zealand are accepting immigrants right now. Which visa does NZ allow you to live there and work remotely?
  - co2benzoate 5y ago
    You'll have to ask the Google execs https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-working-remote-after-opposing-it-for-staff-2021-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki... https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/06/google-founder-larry-page-is-a-new-zealand-resident-officials-confirm-after-controversy-over-his-lockdown-visit/?sh=d679f8824135 https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/06/google-...
    - j8hn 5y ago
      So are these special cases or are the winners of remote work all fleeing to New Zealand? Larry Page's son was transported by medavac to a hospital there. He's able to stay due to a visa with the requirement of a $7 million investment.
      - co2benzoate 5y ago
        Then you answered your own question about the type of visas you can get.
ThePadawan 5y ago
Only if you consider Remote Global Work. As a European, it is very disheartening to see how many companies espouse "we are now embracing remote work company-wide", which on closer inspection means "California hours +-2h time difference".
- ghaff 5y ago
  California to Europe is tough for many things. I work US East Coast timezone and collaborate a lot with Europe--but that feels like it's getting near the limit for any regular synchronous activity unless one side or the other starts to work atypical hours.
  - ThePadawan 5y ago
    I do totally get it. I only take an issue with the (maybe unintentional) duplicity of pretending that "remote work in the continental US" can only mean "remote work".
    - quadrifoliate 5y ago
      I have seen many European companies as well who do this unintentional duplicity of "remote" meaning "anywhere in the EU/EEA". In addition to the obvious time zone constraints, I think payroll taxes and such are a major regulatory boundary that you need to cross in addition to having "all your shit together" as one of the top comments puts it.
      - handrous 5y ago
        > In addition to the obvious time zone constraints, I think payroll taxes and such are a major regulatory boundary that you need to cross in addition to having "all your shit together" as one of the top comments puts it. This can be annoying even across state boundaries, let alone internationally, for smaller companies that aren't already operating in several states. Consider also things like group health insurance, which are often geographically bound (sometimes even to a single city).
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
>The pandemic has accelerated globalization. Is that really the case? There is some evidence that globalisation had plateaued over the last decade or so. I can't find any recent evidence one way or the other. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-trade-exports-constant-prices?time=1970..latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-trade-exports-const...
28367090 5y ago
The pandemic accelerated the end of globalization. Globalization is over. The US will become less and less involved in the other countries -- even less than it is now -- and corporations will not be hiring teams that are mix of time zones, languages, and cultures. They will continue to hire people with credentials like those in charge, who look like, speak like, and have the same goals / culture as those in charge. And that's going to be in US major cities.
- xyzelement 5y ago
  Your comment makes a lot of assertions without a single argument.
cblconfederate 5y ago
The winner of globalization was the US though

The Winners of Remote Work don't live in the United States. The pandemic has accelerated globalization.

by pvm3 5y ago

The Winners of Remote Work don't live in the United States. The pandemic has accelerated globalization.

SonOfKyuss 5y ago

Working parents in the US have definitely benefited from the flexibility that comes with remote work as well.

pc86 5y ago
Only to the extent that schools and daycares are still open.

co2benzoate 5y ago

The winners of remote work are all fleeing to New Zealand, leaving the rest to wallow in decaying infrastructure and a healthcare system bursting at the seams.

j8hn 5y ago
I wasn't aware that New Zealand are accepting immigrants right now. Which visa does NZ allow you to live there and work remotely?
- co2benzoate 5y ago
  You'll have to ask the Google execs https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-working-remote-after-opposing-it-for-staff-2021-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki... https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/06/google-founder-larry-page-is-a-new-zealand-resident-officials-confirm-after-controversy-over-his-lockdown-visit/?sh=d679f8824135 https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/06/google-...
  - j8hn 5y ago
    So are these special cases or are the winners of remote work all fleeing to New Zealand? Larry Page's son was transported by medavac to a hospital there. He's able to stay due to a visa with the requirement of a $7 million investment.
    - co2benzoate 5y ago
      Then you answered your own question about the type of visas you can get.

ThePadawan 5y ago

Only if you consider Remote Global Work. As a European, it is very disheartening to see how many companies espouse "we are now embracing remote work company-wide", which on closer inspection means "California hours +-2h time difference".

ghaff 5y ago
California to Europe is tough for many things. I work US East Coast timezone and collaborate a lot with Europe--but that feels like it's getting near the limit for any regular synchronous activity unless one side or the other starts to work atypical hours.
- ThePadawan 5y ago
  I do totally get it. I only take an issue with the (maybe unintentional) duplicity of pretending that "remote work in the continental US" can only mean "remote work".
  - quadrifoliate 5y ago
    I have seen many European companies as well who do this unintentional duplicity of "remote" meaning "anywhere in the EU/EEA". In addition to the obvious time zone constraints, I think payroll taxes and such are a major regulatory boundary that you need to cross in addition to having "all your shit together" as one of the top comments puts it.
    - handrous 5y ago
      > In addition to the obvious time zone constraints, I think payroll taxes and such are a major regulatory boundary that you need to cross in addition to having "all your shit together" as one of the top comments puts it. This can be annoying even across state boundaries, let alone internationally, for smaller companies that aren't already operating in several states. Consider also things like group health insurance, which are often geographically bound (sometimes even to a single city).

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

>The pandemic has accelerated globalization. Is that really the case? There is some evidence that globalisation had plateaued over the last decade or so. I can't find any recent evidence one way or the other. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-trade-exports-constant-prices?time=1970..latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-trade-exports-const...

28367090 5y ago

The pandemic accelerated the end of globalization. Globalization is over. The US will become less and less involved in the other countries -- even less than it is now -- and corporations will not be hiring teams that are mix of time zones, languages, and cultures. They will continue to hire people with credentials like those in charge, who look like, speak like, and have the same goals / culture as those in charge. And that's going to be in US major cities.

xyzelement 5y ago
Your comment makes a lot of assertions without a single argument.

cblconfederate 5y ago

The winner of globalization was the US though