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It's really interesting to see the mental gymnastics people are willing to go through to defend their favorite trillion dollar corporations. > other major clou

It's really interesting to see the mental gymnastics people are willing to go through to defend their favorite trillion dollar corporations. > other major cloud providers catch CSAM content on their platform by inspecting every file uploaded, i.e. total invasion of privacy. > Apple found a way to preserve that privacy ... So scanning for CSAM in a third-party cloud is "total invasion of privacy", while scanning your own personal device is "preserving privacy"? The third-party clouds can only scan what one explicitly chooses to share with the third-party, while on-device scanning is a short slippery slope away from have its scope significantly expanded (to include non-shared and non-CSAM content).

helen___keller 5y ago
> defend their favorite trillion dollar corporations > is a short slippery slope away Obviously people who trust Apple aren't concerned about slippery slopes. What's the point of your post?
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  He's just commenting on how ludicrous it is for anyone to believe that apple is being honest about this and about spying for governments on its users.
spullara 5y ago
They are scanning files that are being uploaded. So, yes.
- noapologies 5y ago
  As I mentioned, it is (by definition) impossible for the cloud to have access to something that does not exist in the cloud - only the content that is explicitly uploaded/shared by the user can be scanned. While local, on-device content access has no such guarantees - it's a question of policy rather than technical infeasibility. And policies change. > They are scanning files that are being uploaded. So, yes. Even considering the situation as it is today, the cloud providers (as well as Apple) are scanning just the files that are being uploaded. So I'm still not sure how one is "total invasion of privacy" and the other "preserving privacy".
  - spullara 5y ago
    It has always been technically feasible for them to have software on the phone that scans everything on the phone. I don't see how this changes anything. Apple is trying to avoid scanning in the cloud so that the data can be E2EE and not subject to being stolen by someone that gets access to their servers somehow.
    - noapologies 5y ago
      > It has always been technically feasible for them to have software on the phone that scans everything on the phone. No, the OS can limit access to local content. E.g. Mac has https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/control-access-to-files-and-folders-on-mac-mchld5a35146/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/control-access-to-f..., and ios has its own permissions system. It also requires installing third-party software on the device. While if Apple's policy regarding local content changes in the future, there is no way to avoid the OS itself (other than jailbreaking I suppose). > Apple is trying to avoid scanning in the cloud so that the data can be E2EE Citation needed.

helen___keller 5y ago

> defend their favorite trillion dollar corporations > is a short slippery slope away Obviously people who trust Apple aren't concerned about slippery slopes. What's the point of your post?

stjohnswarts 5y ago
He's just commenting on how ludicrous it is for anyone to believe that apple is being honest about this and about spying for governments on its users.

spullara 5y ago

They are scanning files that are being uploaded. So, yes.

noapologies 5y ago
As I mentioned, it is (by definition) impossible for the cloud to have access to something that does not exist in the cloud - only the content that is explicitly uploaded/shared by the user can be scanned. While local, on-device content access has no such guarantees - it's a question of policy rather than technical infeasibility. And policies change. > They are scanning files that are being uploaded. So, yes. Even considering the situation as it is today, the cloud providers (as well as Apple) are scanning just the files that are being uploaded. So I'm still not sure how one is "total invasion of privacy" and the other "preserving privacy".
- spullara 5y ago
  It has always been technically feasible for them to have software on the phone that scans everything on the phone. I don't see how this changes anything. Apple is trying to avoid scanning in the cloud so that the data can be E2EE and not subject to being stolen by someone that gets access to their servers somehow.
  - noapologies 5y ago
    > It has always been technically feasible for them to have software on the phone that scans everything on the phone. No, the OS can limit access to local content. E.g. Mac has https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/control-access-to-files-and-folders-on-mac-mchld5a35146/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/control-access-to-f..., and ios has its own permissions system. It also requires installing third-party software on the device. While if Apple's policy regarding local content changes in the future, there is no way to avoid the OS itself (other than jailbreaking I suppose). > Apple is trying to avoid scanning in the cloud so that the data can be E2EE Citation needed.