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Yes, thats exactly how i feel. I'd still hate it if my iCloud uploads are scanned but I'm already assuming that anyway. But the fact that my iOS device can pot

by pehtis 5y ago

Yes, thats exactly how i feel. I'd still hate it if my iCloud uploads are scanned but I'm already assuming that anyway. But the fact that my iOS device can potentially report me to any authorities, for whatever reason, is crossing a line that makes it impossible to ever own an iPhone again. I bought my first one in 2007 so I'm not saying this lightly.. Does anybody know if this policy will extend to macOS too?

stephc_int13 5y ago
It has already be announced, this is not only iOS, but all Apple devices.
- blisterpeanuts 5y ago
  Great. I recently invested $3800 in an excellent, new iMac. Now I'm starting to wonder if I should have spent a couple thousand less for a barebones PC and installed my favorite Linux distro. It would have done 75% of what I needed, and the other 25% (music and video work)... well, that's the tradeoff. If anyone in my circle of family, friends, and social network asks my advice, the formerly easy answer "Get a Mac, get an iPhone; you won't regret it!" is probably going to be replaced with something more nuanced ("Buy Apple, but know what you're getting into; here's a few articles on privacy....").
  - selsta 5y ago
    The CSAM detection technical summary [1] only mentions iOS and iPadOS. If it does come to macOS it will be part of Photos.app, as that's the only way to interact with iCloud Photos. I would recommend you to avoid that app and cloud in general if you care about privacy. [1] https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...
    - pehtis 5y ago
      If it stays like that then it's manageable i guess.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      That's not what I read in multiple sources. They including mac os as part of it. And why wouldn't they the software will be easy to compile into the apple photos app. https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-child-abuse-material-scanning-in-ios-15-draws-fire/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-child-abuse-material-sca...
- FabHK 5y ago
  Looks like CSAM detection is iOS/iPadOS only (for now?). From Apple: - Communication safety in Messages […] This feature is coming in an update later this year to accounts set up as families in iCloud for iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and macOS Monterey.* - CSAM detection […] To help address this, new technology in iOS and iPadOS will allow Apple to detect known CSAM images stored in iCloud Photos. - Expanding guidance in Siri and Search […] These updates to Siri and Search are coming later this year in an update to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/
perardi 5y ago
I think you’re going to have to go to a flip phone, then. Not to be, uh, flippant. Because this feels like a rather obvious slippery slope that Google will be compelled to slide down as well. Feels like the only way to avoid such a thing would be dumb phone + Linux laptop/desktop.
- alabamacadabra 5y ago
  They already do. Look up “federated learning”. Lmao.
- pehtis 5y ago
  I wouldn't go that far. I need something with a decent browser at the very least.
- istingray 5y ago
  Thankfully flip phones aren't necessary! Startups like Purism are at the cutting edge of building privacy-respecting devices, check it out here: https://puri.sm https://puri.sm
  - asddubs 5y ago
    and pinephone: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Plan to get one as my next phone, although it should be said that both of these offerings are still a bit rough around the edges currently, but getting there
xoa 5y ago
>Does anybody know if this policy will extend to macOS too? I don't see how it could be in the same way, or at least it only could be on brand new ARM Macs right? The thing is that at least on Intel Macs Apple simply doesn't control the whole stack. I mean, obviously, while more effort it's perfectly possible to get x86 macOS running virtualized or directly on non-Apple hardware entirely. So any shenanigans they try to pull there can get subverted or outright patched out. Without the whole hardware trust chain and heavy lock down like they have on iOS this sort of effort, even if attempted, becomes less threatening. I guess we'll see what they go for though :(. They could certainly make it pretty nasty anyway so as much as anything it's more of a forlorn hope they'll mainly focus on low hanging fruit.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Yes it will come with the next "+1" version due out in late fall (winter?). It will be an integral to the icloud photos platform. Supposedly if you turn off iCloud photos backup it gets turned off as well

by pehtis 5y ago

stephc_int13 5y ago

It has already be announced, this is not only iOS, but all Apple devices.

blisterpeanuts 5y ago
Great. I recently invested $3800 in an excellent, new iMac. Now I'm starting to wonder if I should have spent a couple thousand less for a barebones PC and installed my favorite Linux distro. It would have done 75% of what I needed, and the other 25% (music and video work)... well, that's the tradeoff. If anyone in my circle of family, friends, and social network asks my advice, the formerly easy answer "Get a Mac, get an iPhone; you won't regret it!" is probably going to be replaced with something more nuanced ("Buy Apple, but know what you're getting into; here's a few articles on privacy....").
- selsta 5y ago
  The CSAM detection technical summary [1] only mentions iOS and iPadOS. If it does come to macOS it will be part of Photos.app, as that's the only way to interact with iCloud Photos. I would recommend you to avoid that app and cloud in general if you care about privacy. [1] https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...
  - pehtis 5y ago
    If it stays like that then it's manageable i guess.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    That's not what I read in multiple sources. They including mac os as part of it. And why wouldn't they the software will be easy to compile into the apple photos app. https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-child-abuse-material-scanning-in-ios-15-draws-fire/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-child-abuse-material-sca...
FabHK 5y ago
Looks like CSAM detection is iOS/iPadOS only (for now?). From Apple: - Communication safety in Messages […] This feature is coming in an update later this year to accounts set up as families in iCloud for iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and macOS Monterey.* - CSAM detection […] To help address this, new technology in iOS and iPadOS will allow Apple to detect known CSAM images stored in iCloud Photos. - Expanding guidance in Siri and Search […] These updates to Siri and Search are coming later this year in an update to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/

perardi 5y ago

I think you’re going to have to go to a flip phone, then. Not to be, uh, flippant. Because this feels like a rather obvious slippery slope that Google will be compelled to slide down as well. Feels like the only way to avoid such a thing would be dumb phone + Linux laptop/desktop.

alabamacadabra 5y ago
They already do. Look up “federated learning”. Lmao.
pehtis 5y ago
I wouldn't go that far. I need something with a decent browser at the very least.
istingray 5y ago
Thankfully flip phones aren't necessary! Startups like Purism are at the cutting edge of building privacy-respecting devices, check it out here: https://puri.sm https://puri.sm
- asddubs 5y ago
  and pinephone: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Plan to get one as my next phone, although it should be said that both of these offerings are still a bit rough around the edges currently, but getting there

xoa 5y ago

>Does anybody know if this policy will extend to macOS too? I don't see how it could be in the same way, or at least it only could be on brand new ARM Macs right? The thing is that at least on Intel Macs Apple simply doesn't control the whole stack. I mean, obviously, while more effort it's perfectly possible to get x86 macOS running virtualized or directly on non-Apple hardware entirely. So any shenanigans they try to pull there can get subverted or outright patched out. Without the whole hardware trust chain and heavy lock down like they have on iOS this sort of effort, even if attempted, becomes less threatening. I guess we'll see what they go for though :(. They could certainly make it pretty nasty anyway so as much as anything it's more of a forlorn hope they'll mainly focus on low hanging fruit.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

Yes it will come with the next "+1" version due out in late fall (winter?). It will be an integral to the icloud photos platform. Supposedly if you turn off iCloud photos backup it gets turned off as well