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> possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer That's specious reasonin

by u10 5y ago

> possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer That's specious reasoning. Someone who posesses an action movie likes action movies, while someone who posesses child porn likes child porn. One is ok, the other is pretty vile and illegal for a reason. I don't agree with Apple on this but let's be clear on what is and what isn't

flutas 5y ago
> Someone who posesses an action movie likes action movies, while someone who posesses child porn likes child porn. Unless it's planted. [0] Or sent to you. [1] Or (farther out there) happens to be embedded on a site you visited and ends up in your browser cache. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-putin-russia-fake-news-hacking-cybersecurity.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-put... [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/alex-jones-sandy-hook.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/alex-jones-sandy...
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  It only scans images in your iCloud Photo Library. Not paying for iCloud? No scanning. Not in your photo library? No scanning. And even then, only for known content, not new content.
  - runlevel1 5y ago
    So the attacker only needs to get access to your iCloud. Your iPhone will happily sync down photos uploaded elsewhere. You don't have to be paying for iCloud, either. There's a free tier, so I'd imagine almost all iPhones are using some tier of it. iCloud account break-ins aren't exactly rare. An accusation, even if false, could ruin an innocent person's life.
    - mercora 5y ago
      > There's a free tier, so I'd imagine almost all iPhones are using some tier of it. i was quite surprised to see this was the default or at least was setup unknowingly to me.
    - nerdponx 5y ago
      Not only is there a free tier, but the iPhone defaults are cleverly configured so that you quickly fill it up with random junk on your phone, and feel pressured into paying for more iCloud storage, because the default sync behavior is so non-obvious, and the settings to disable it are buried. I know multiple people (most of them in their 50s or older) who started paying for iCloud because they thought it was their only option.
    - simondotau 5y ago
      If this was going to happen, it would have already happened on Android, Gmail, OneDrive, or any of dozens of services which already do what Apple is now doing. Or are you saying that malicious activity is only interesting if it was on an Apple device?
  - flutas 5y ago
    Conveniently, iOS 15 also syncs images from your messages and many other places into your photos. Whether this will put that file in your iCloud Photo library, I do not know. https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/see-photos-shared-with-you-messages-ios/ https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/see-photos-shared-with-you-... On top of that, at this stage you are right. How long before they move it to every file in your device's storage "because of the children!"
birdyrooster 5y ago
You realize if this is as problematic as we are talking about and peoples lives are ruined from false positives it will create a political movement that will make this illegal. Stop trying to lobby companies and lobby for politicians that will rein this shit in.
maximus-decimus 5y ago
You can have videos of somebody actually getting killed and it's not a crime. Reddit killed the /r/watchpeopledie subreddit, but it wasn't illegal to go on. Until people are actively encouraging people dying for people getting killed by paying for gladiator matches, I agree with you it's not the same thing, but I don't think the person you're answering to is talking about action movies.
- axiosgunnar 5y ago
  > You can have videos of somebody actually getting killed and it's not a crime. yet

by u10 5y ago

flutas 5y ago

> Someone who posesses an action movie likes action movies, while someone who posesses child porn likes child porn. Unless it's planted. [0] Or sent to you. [1] Or (farther out there) happens to be embedded on a site you visited and ends up in your browser cache. [0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-putin-russia-fake-news-hacking-cybersecurity.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-put... [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/alex-jones-sandy-hook.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/alex-jones-sandy...

gjsman-1000 5y ago
It only scans images in your iCloud Photo Library. Not paying for iCloud? No scanning. Not in your photo library? No scanning. And even then, only for known content, not new content.
- runlevel1 5y ago
  So the attacker only needs to get access to your iCloud. Your iPhone will happily sync down photos uploaded elsewhere. You don't have to be paying for iCloud, either. There's a free tier, so I'd imagine almost all iPhones are using some tier of it. iCloud account break-ins aren't exactly rare. An accusation, even if false, could ruin an innocent person's life.
  - mercora 5y ago
    > There's a free tier, so I'd imagine almost all iPhones are using some tier of it. i was quite surprised to see this was the default or at least was setup unknowingly to me.
  - nerdponx 5y ago
    Not only is there a free tier, but the iPhone defaults are cleverly configured so that you quickly fill it up with random junk on your phone, and feel pressured into paying for more iCloud storage, because the default sync behavior is so non-obvious, and the settings to disable it are buried. I know multiple people (most of them in their 50s or older) who started paying for iCloud because they thought it was their only option.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    If this was going to happen, it would have already happened on Android, Gmail, OneDrive, or any of dozens of services which already do what Apple is now doing. Or are you saying that malicious activity is only interesting if it was on an Apple device?
- flutas 5y ago
  Conveniently, iOS 15 also syncs images from your messages and many other places into your photos. Whether this will put that file in your iCloud Photo library, I do not know. https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/see-photos-shared-with-you-messages-ios/ https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/see-photos-shared-with-you-... On top of that, at this stage you are right. How long before they move it to every file in your device's storage "because of the children!"

birdyrooster 5y ago

You realize if this is as problematic as we are talking about and peoples lives are ruined from false positives it will create a political movement that will make this illegal. Stop trying to lobby companies and lobby for politicians that will rein this shit in.

maximus-decimus 5y ago

You can have videos of somebody actually getting killed and it's not a crime. Reddit killed the /r/watchpeopledie subreddit, but it wasn't illegal to go on. Until people are actively encouraging people dying for people getting killed by paying for gladiator matches, I agree with you it's not the same thing, but I don't think the person you're answering to is talking about action movies.

axiosgunnar 5y ago
> You can have videos of somebody actually getting killed and it's not a crime. yet